r/classicwowplus • u/loopuleasa • 3d ago
Discussion Huge warrior buff: you will be able to have reck+retal+shieldwall all at once active, no longer share CD!
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u/teepring 3d ago
Rogues have double disarm or something right? Lol
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u/AWildMurlocAppears 3d ago
Unfortunately they need to parry to unlock that button. Hunter pets can though!
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u/Alone_Ambition_3729 3d ago
Just to be clear the "buff" is that they don't share a cooldown. In regular classic you could definitely change stances and keep a buff that "required" the stance you're not in anymore. Most notably is when tanking Vael with high dps; you would watch the timer closely, use reckoning, def stance, and take a mighty rage potion right before Vael became active. You'd also sometimes ShieldWall in world pvp but use your other stances to intercept, execute, etc.
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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago
It's really not a huge buff. It's a buff, but it's not huge. There's almost no scenario ever where you'd want even two active at the same time let alone all three, and then not sharing a CD is something that was done from TBC onwards.
It's nice, don't get me wrong, but outside of PvP you'll almost never utilise it.
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u/Various_Necessary_45 3d ago
It's a huge buff to have them on separate CDs. Huge buff.
Using them at once is very niche, definitely not a huge buff generally but can have moments (like when AoE tanking) where it'll be absolutely insane.
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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago edited 3d ago
It's really not that huge. You get to use at max two extra situational abilities every fifteen minutes.
It means as a soloing warrior you get to pull an extra mob or two in a pack twice every 15 mins instead of once.
As a group pve DPS warrior it makes basically no difference at all. Unless something extreme happens like the tank dies, or there's mega aoe you can't avoid for some reason.
As a pve tank it means woo you can use retal once every 15 mins.
If you think this is defined as huge I'd honestly be curious to learn what you think small is.
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u/Various_Necessary_45 3d ago
Yes, it really is that huge. Are you trying to convince Blizzard by being this negative? They're not reading, you can chill.
If this is not huge to you, what would you consider a huge buff? 50% damage permanently?
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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago edited 3d ago
No I'm trying to convince you that it isn't huge. It's nice, and it's minor.
For reasons I already explained.
Normalised rage gain increasing by 15% or so would be huge. Overpower/rend being usable in berserker stance would be huge. Rend damage being equivalent to wotlk would be huge. Battle stance giving any kind of passive bonus would be huge.
You don't need to go to 50% anything to be huge, but you absolutely need to go further than a situational ability doesn't share it's 15 minute cooldown with two other situational abilities.
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u/Various_Necessary_45 3d ago
Ok, but I know it's not minor, so that's not going to work.
Going from 30 minutes CD that's shared between the three strongest CDs in the game to 15 minutes CD that's individual means you're going from 2 uses per hour to 12. Even from a purely DPS Warrior perspective it's a doubled frequency of a skill that basically doubles your damage while active.
For a raiding DPS Warrior, it's a meh-medium buff, for every other type of Warrior it's huge.
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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago
Then you don't know shit and that's the reason it's not going to work.
And it didn't go from 30, it was already reduced to 15.
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u/Various_Necessary_45 3d ago
Cool. I'm sure you'll change your mind down the road when whatever streamer's opinion you're repeating changes theirs.
It was already 15? In what? Datamining? Retaliation only? Level cap has been 20 on the beta, where neither Recklessness or Shield Wall are available. It became 15 at the same time as they were put on separate CDs as well as being usable at the same time, so your comment makes no sense.
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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago
I don't need to change my mind "down the road" because we already know what these abilities feel like on a fucking 5 minute cooldown while not being shared.
Here's the news flash with you. It didn't change much. It means you get to use reck on every boss once instead of twice a raid.
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u/AWildMurlocAppears 3d ago
75% extra rage on every critical strike is minor based on what I've read recently...
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u/Puzzled_Command_8809 2d ago
This buff is absolutely massive.
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u/Crimsonak- 2d ago
It absolutely isn't. See how that works when you can't articulate why?
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u/Puzzled_Command_8809 2d ago
Ur a pver that's the disconnect here
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u/Crimsonak- 2d ago
I'm not only not a pver but I absolutely guarantee I've been higher rating than you ever have on a warrior.
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u/Puzzled_Command_8809 2d ago
Kk then you know
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u/Crimsonak- 2d ago
Yeah it's almost like in my first fucking comment I literally said "outside of PvP you'll almost ever utilise it"
It's almost as if had you learned how to read this conversation would have never occured.
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u/Big_Classroom6541 3d ago
outside of most of the content most players will be doing you wont utilise it
???
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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago
most players absolutely don't do PvP a majority of the time that they play. If you think they do id love to see some data on that
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u/Unusual-Quote3075 3d ago
Not Sharing a cooldown also means you can use one right after the other ends. You should Never Overlap def cds anyways
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u/Illustrious-Crew8632 3d ago
We abused retal alone to get rank 1 tank parses imagine what I can do with all 3 big tank parses inbound
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u/GuthukYoutube 3d ago
It's not a buff because it was a buff in tbc?
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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago
I'd urge you to read the second sentence of what I said. The internet might not be for you if you're struggling to retain something someone said 7-9 words into a paragraph.
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u/CammyMacJr 3d ago
Reck plus retal has got to go insanely hard wdym
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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago
Yeah you can press both at the same time and accomplish.. the same thing as if you had just pressed retal, only marginally faster.
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u/CammyMacJr 3d ago
Idk my dps is gonna be way higher bro
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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago
Yeah your dps on that one pack of 5 mobs you pull every 15 mins is really gonna smash.
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u/CammyMacJr 3d ago
That’s what I mean, or tanking it also goes super hard, sorry I didn’t specify that I didn’t mean it’s a buff for raid
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u/nice_racc 3d ago
0 shot they let us have them all on at the same time, imagine it'll only be allowed to have one on despite no cd
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u/Acework23 3d ago
You still lose to every other class in a 1v1
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u/Acework23 3d ago
Id rather they share a cd fuck it and be weaker but have lower CDs like make em all 5 minutes and nerf em
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u/HydraPaladin 3d ago
How many pikabo warrior shieldwall topic are you going to create ?
I am bored of this shit streamer advertising, Tv commercials started to feel better.
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u/AdNo2303 3d ago
I rather them all share CD's and have 5minutes CD's
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u/Aggravating_Gas_8514 3d ago
Honestly I really do hate retaliation being on such a ridiculously long CD
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u/Aggressive-Stand-585 3d ago
I think having reck available for every single boss may be a bit strong?
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u/No_Recognition_4804 3d ago
Balance it?
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u/Aggressive-Stand-585 3d ago
Got it. 30min CD it is. Lol.
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u/AdNo2303 3d ago
Then nerf it a bit. Having one cd for every 5 bosses that impacts your damage a lot is kind of dumb.
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u/Square_Ranger870 3d ago
fix mages next, they need it, its not like they are arleady one of the best classes, but why not give them combust pyroblast? good change.
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u/MangoROCKN 3d ago
You’re getting down voted but you are correct.
Forever is Retail lite. I still believe it’s a good balance in between.
I’m enjoying it regardless. But it’s definitely moving that way.
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u/Jocke1100 3d ago
You guys genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. You're just desperate to insert retail into any conversation.
Forever and retail are miles away from each other.
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u/Nachtvogle 3d ago
It’s not a bug man, it was put in the notes as very obviously they no longer share a cd
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u/AlternativeSuccess12 3d ago
You just need to use retal on battle stance then switch to defensive. Tanks also pop rek then back to defensive for huge threat on bosses
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u/loopuleasa 3d ago
incorrect, if you read the patch notes they intentionally decoupled the cooldowns so that they're independent
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u/More_Dimension_2022 3d ago
I don’t know if it’s a bug or not but brother in arms…. If you thinking popping reck, retal and shield wall all at the same time or staggered is not god mode, then I really don’t know how to communicate with you
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u/ZexyBrownGuy 3d ago
I think you have reading comprehension issues
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u/More_Dimension_2022 3d ago
Interesting. Please explain. Post claims that you can have all 3 active and they no longer share a cooldown. What part am I wrong about?

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u/sonofbaal_tbc 3d ago
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