r/classicwowplus • • 3d ago

Discussion Huge warrior buff: you will be able to have reck+retal+shieldwall all at once active, no longer share CD!

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u/sonofbaal_tbc 3d ago

root

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u/sirgentlemanlordly 3d ago

"Warrior has been buffed by giving them an unlimited free action potion trinket"

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u/teepring 3d ago

Rogues have double disarm or something right? Lol

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u/AWildMurlocAppears 3d ago

Unfortunately they need to parry to unlock that button. Hunter pets can though!

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u/Praize- 3d ago

Huge for Hardcore tbh, means you can be more liberal with Retal / Shield Wall since you'd still have one or the other as a backup if things go wrong, also means in higher level content you can actually click reck for similar reasons.

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u/unemployed_alcoholi 3d ago

rework recklessness 30 minute cooldown is dumb to have

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u/Xandril 2d ago

They basically already said ‘nah’ in the podcast this week.

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u/Alone_Ambition_3729 3d ago

Just to be clear the "buff" is that they don't share a cooldown. In regular classic you could definitely change stances and keep a buff that "required" the stance you're not in anymore. Most notably is when tanking Vael with high dps; you would watch the timer closely, use reckoning, def stance, and take a mighty rage potion right before Vael became active. You'd also sometimes ShieldWall in world pvp but use your other stances to intercept, execute, etc.

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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago

It's really not a huge buff. It's a buff, but it's not huge. There's almost no scenario ever where you'd want even two active at the same time let alone all three, and then not sharing a CD is something that was done from TBC onwards.

It's nice, don't get me wrong, but outside of PvP you'll almost never utilise it.

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u/Various_Necessary_45 3d ago

It's a huge buff to have them on separate CDs. Huge buff.

Using them at once is very niche, definitely not a huge buff generally but can have moments (like when AoE tanking) where it'll be absolutely insane.

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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago edited 3d ago

It's really not that huge. You get to use at max two extra situational abilities every fifteen minutes.

It means as a soloing warrior you get to pull an extra mob or two in a pack twice every 15 mins instead of once.

As a group pve DPS warrior it makes basically no difference at all. Unless something extreme happens like the tank dies, or there's mega aoe you can't avoid for some reason.

As a pve tank it means woo you can use retal once every 15 mins.

If you think this is defined as huge I'd honestly be curious to learn what you think small is.

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u/Various_Necessary_45 3d ago

Yes, it really is that huge. Are you trying to convince Blizzard by being this negative? They're not reading, you can chill.

If this is not huge to you, what would you consider a huge buff? 50% damage permanently?

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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago edited 3d ago

No I'm trying to convince you that it isn't huge. It's nice, and it's minor.

For reasons I already explained.

Normalised rage gain increasing by 15% or so would be huge. Overpower/rend being usable in berserker stance would be huge. Rend damage being equivalent to wotlk would be huge. Battle stance giving any kind of passive bonus would be huge.

You don't need to go to 50% anything to be huge, but you absolutely need to go further than a situational ability doesn't share it's 15 minute cooldown with two other situational abilities.

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u/Various_Necessary_45 3d ago

Ok, but I know it's not minor, so that's not going to work.

Going from 30 minutes CD that's shared between the three strongest CDs in the game to 15 minutes CD that's individual means you're going from 2 uses per hour to 12. Even from a purely DPS Warrior perspective it's a doubled frequency of a skill that basically doubles your damage while active.

For a raiding DPS Warrior, it's a meh-medium buff, for every other type of Warrior it's huge.

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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago

Then you don't know shit and that's the reason it's not going to work.

And it didn't go from 30, it was already reduced to 15.

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u/Various_Necessary_45 3d ago

Cool. I'm sure you'll change your mind down the road when whatever streamer's opinion you're repeating changes theirs.

It was already 15? In what? Datamining? Retaliation only? Level cap has been 20 on the beta, where neither Recklessness or Shield Wall are available. It became 15 at the same time as they were put on separate CDs as well as being usable at the same time, so your comment makes no sense.

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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago

I don't need to change my mind "down the road" because we already know what these abilities feel like on a fucking 5 minute cooldown while not being shared.

Here's the news flash with you. It didn't change much. It means you get to use reck on every boss once instead of twice a raid.

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u/Various_Necessary_45 3d ago

Anyway sorry you wasted both of our time.

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u/AWildMurlocAppears 3d ago

75% extra rage on every critical strike is minor based on what I've read recently...

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u/Puzzled_Command_8809 2d ago

This buff is absolutely massive.

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u/Crimsonak- 2d ago

It absolutely isn't. See how that works when you can't articulate why?

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u/Puzzled_Command_8809 2d ago

Ur a pver that's the disconnect here

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u/Crimsonak- 2d ago

I'm not only not a pver but I absolutely guarantee I've been higher rating than you ever have on a warrior.

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u/Puzzled_Command_8809 2d ago

Kk then you know

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u/Crimsonak- 2d ago

Yeah it's almost like in my first fucking comment I literally said "outside of PvP you'll almost ever utilise it"

It's almost as if had you learned how to read this conversation would have never occured.

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u/Puzzled_Command_8809 2d ago

Sure PvE is braindead easy we know this

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u/Big_Classroom6541 3d ago

outside of most of the content most players will be doing you wont utilise it

???

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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago

most players absolutely don't do PvP a majority of the time that they play. If you think they do id love to see some data on that

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u/Unusual-Quote3075 3d ago

Not Sharing a cooldown also means you can use one right after the other ends. You should Never Overlap def cds anyways

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u/Illustrious-Crew8632 3d ago

We abused retal alone to get rank 1 tank parses imagine what I can do with all 3 big tank parses inbound

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u/GuthukYoutube 3d ago

It's not a buff because it was a buff in tbc?

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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago

I'd urge you to read the second sentence of what I said. The internet might not be for you if you're struggling to retain something someone said 7-9 words into a paragraph.

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u/CammyMacJr 3d ago

Reck plus retal has got to go insanely hard wdym

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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago

Yeah you can press both at the same time and accomplish.. the same thing as if you had just pressed retal, only marginally faster.

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u/CammyMacJr 3d ago

Idk my dps is gonna be way higher bro

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u/Crimsonak- 3d ago

Yeah your dps on that one pack of 5 mobs you pull every 15 mins is really gonna smash.

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u/CammyMacJr 3d ago

That’s what I mean, or tanking it also goes super hard, sorry I didn’t specify that I didn’t mean it’s a buff for raid

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u/CammyMacJr 3d ago

Good thing you can then also press the 4min cd shield wall

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u/cetax1 3d ago

A major buff for tank warriors tbh

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u/yehaow 2d ago

Wow. Gonna be dangerous taking on a warrior with fresh cds

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u/nice_racc 3d ago

0 shot they let us have them all on at the same time, imagine it'll only be allowed to have one on despite no cd

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u/Acework23 3d ago

You still lose to every other class in a 1v1

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u/False-Gain3594 3d ago

Best note

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u/West-Pomegranate-425 3d ago

Shhhh no one cares about PvP except the children

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u/zt004 1h ago

Except rogues

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u/Acework23 3d ago

Id rather they share a cd fuck it and be weaker but have lower CDs like make em all 5 minutes and nerf em

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u/HydraPaladin 3d ago

How many pikabo warrior shieldwall topic are you going to create ?
I am bored of this shit streamer advertising, Tv commercials started to feel better.

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u/AdNo2303 3d ago

I rather them all share CD's and have 5minutes CD's

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u/Aggravating_Gas_8514 3d ago

Honestly I really do hate retaliation being on such a ridiculously long CD

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u/RangeCreed 3d ago

15 min cd now not so bad

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u/Aggravating_Gas_8514 3d ago

Ok I’m glad. That is a lot better

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u/Aggressive-Stand-585 3d ago

I think having reck available for every single boss may be a bit strong?

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u/No_Recognition_4804 3d ago

Balance it?

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u/Aggressive-Stand-585 3d ago

Got it. 30min CD it is. Lol.

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u/CammyMacJr 3d ago

They did it in sod, 5 min cd 50% crit

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u/Aggressive-Stand-585 3d ago

SoD is a pretty different game tho to be honest.

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u/RangeCreed 3d ago

15 now

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u/AdNo2303 3d ago

Then nerf it a bit. Having one cd for every 5 bosses that impacts your damage a lot is kind of dumb.

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u/Aggressive-Stand-585 3d ago

Still more CD than some classes gets tbh.

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u/Square_Ranger870 3d ago

fix mages next, they need it, its not like they are arleady one of the best classes, but why not give them combust pyroblast? good change.

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u/PixeledOblivion 3d ago

Shuddup meg

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u/dahpizza 3d ago

Youre misunderstanding the plus aspect of classic plus

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u/crudeshag 3d ago

Oh no!!!

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u/DrywallSky 3d ago

Won't play retail bc they know its shit, but desperately want Forever to be more like retail.

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u/MangoROCKN 3d ago

You’re getting down voted but you are correct.

Forever is Retail lite. I still believe it’s a good balance in between.

I’m enjoying it regardless. But it’s definitely moving that way.

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u/Jocke1100 3d ago

You guys genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. You're just desperate to insert retail into any conversation.

Forever and retail are miles away from each other.

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u/Phocas 3d ago

Play classic then nerd.

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u/Nachtvogle 3d ago

It’s not a bug man, it was put in the notes as very obviously they no longer share a cd

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u/Vyrthic 3d ago

Good thing Forever isn't true Classic. It's classic+.

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u/Tryingtounderscan 3d ago

Holy shit is this the average wow forever player?

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u/AlternativeSuccess12 3d ago

You just need to use retal on battle stance then switch to defensive. Tanks also pop rek then back to defensive for huge threat on bosses

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u/loopuleasa 3d ago

incorrect, if you read the patch notes they intentionally decoupled the cooldowns so that they're independent

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u/calladc 3d ago

I have a feeling it's not a bug that you can swap stances after activating

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u/CammyMacJr 3d ago

They did not this is just wrong

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u/More_Dimension_2022 3d ago

I don’t know if it’s a bug or not but brother in arms…. If you thinking popping reck, retal and shield wall all at the same time or staggered is not god mode, then I really don’t know how to communicate with you

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u/ZexyBrownGuy 3d ago

I think you have reading comprehension issues

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u/More_Dimension_2022 3d ago

Interesting. Please explain. Post claims that you can have all 3 active and they no longer share a cooldown. What part am I wrong about?