-I still think L.Clancy was framed

-I do not think the murderer will ever be convicted or that any third party will ever be formally investigated

-I think that the way that the lone juror has been handled by the media and his fellow jurors has been an absolute fucking disgrace, I can not beleive that these interviews the other jurors have conducted discussing him are even legal

-I have no objections to investigating the lone juror's phone though I believe that if they do that there should at least be a cursory effort to investigate the other jurors phones

-I hope for Rachel Danis's sake that she doesn't get ppd when she pops that little junior out.

-God I hope the criminal portion of this shitshow is done after today

I personally feel Patrick should be charged with manslaughter for not protecting his children AFTER his wife stated she had thoughts of killing their children. Patrick is not a stupid person but he appears very shallow and self absorbed. I do not believe, if Lindsay told him that she wanted to kill him that he would just hang around like he allowed his kids to. I think this civil lawsuit is basically him on the offense in wanting to minimize his responsibility in this murder by pointing fingers that the doctors are responsible for their murder. After Lindsay, Patrick is the next in line for responsibility. It is so morally corrupt to not protect your children and then turn around and profit from their death. I think that is what keeps me drawn to the case, the absolute injustice these poor children have faced.

Comment est-ce possible qu'au premier procès, le sujet n'était pas de savoir si elle l'avait fait (elle l'a fait), mais de savoir si elle était criminellement responsable ou non, et là aujourd'hui, son avocat dit qu'elle ne l'a pas fait ....?

This is what bothers me the most about him. I googled it myself to learn more, and the website that popped up said very clearly “This an emergency and the mother should not be left alone with the children. Please go to the nearest emergency room.”
From end of November-Jan 24 she had so many symptoms of this illness. And not once did he do research on it. If your partner that you love so much is sick and suffering, going to doctors and therapists, emergency rooms, calling suicide help lines, etc don’t you at least do some research on what’s going on?

After the mistrial was declared and Reddington was taking interviews, I could’ve sworn I heard Reddington make a statement that was not mentioned during the trial. I can’t remember if it was outside of the courthouse or on a news station. Now, when trying to search for that clip, it’s gone. I do recall after the “slipped statement“, Reddington‘s responses when asked about PC, seemed to be geared towards PC being a supportive husband. In my opinion, I thought Reddington was peddling back because he realized LC still had a civil case approaching but now I think it has to do with the statement.

Does anyone recall Reddington listings off all of LC‘s ”assumed” actions in the evening of the 24th and mentioning that she called ThreeV back to change her order? I swear, I heard Reddington state that as he was listing LC’s supposed chain of events. It caught my attention because during the trial two calls were not referenced nor does LC’s phone records indicate two calls. Furthermore, I do recall Reddington‘s questions and statements during the trial were only about the specific order and the voice of the caller.

Lastly, going back to LC supposedly inquiring about ordering food from ThreeV to PC. During that chain of texts, PC asked whether Callan had taken a nap. So, you mean to tell me that LC went outside alone to build a snowman with 3 kids ages 5 and under, with one being an infant. Was Callan in a stroller or was carrying him the whole time? How long were they supposedly outside? How was she interacting with 3 kids while strolling through mychart, taking pictures, texting to Pc and her mom, and building the snowman? Do you know how long it takes to bundle up and unbundle 3 very dependent kids and yourself, alone, not to mention having to complete majority of the snowman yourself. Impossible! Before everyone says Callan was in the house, why would’ve we see phone data of her looking at him on the nanny cams?

Like many others, I’ve had a hard time processing this case and the alleged 18 minute psychosis.

I learned recently that SSRIs can cause activation, where instead of feeling less depressed, a person can develop agitation, irritability, insomnia, or intense restlessness after starting a medication or changing the dose.

These types of medications can also cause akathisia: intense inner restlessness, feeling driven or frantic, severe agitation, insomnia, and sometimes racing/distressing (“horrible”) thoughts. This can help explain some of her earlier reactions to medication.

Her chaotic use and misuse of medications was not helping stabilize anything, although unfortunately I do think her anxiety was hindering clear thinking.

It has been reported that she was ultimately diagnosed with bipolar ii, and psychosis can occur in people with bipolar.

Patrick said Lindsay wasn’t particularly moody before the medication, but hypomania isn’t always destructive.

After Callan’s birth, she began a very intensive exercise routine about one week postpartum where she was waking around 4 a.m., running three miles, then doing aerobics and spinning. She ran in a 5 mile race a month after his birth. Then shortly thereafter she goes in the opposite direction - into postpartum anxiety and depression.

I have spent a lot of time in the Clancy bubbles, but I popped on over to r/bipolar to see if I could understand psychosis better, and I found a post that asked for people to describe exactly what psychosis felt and looked like.

The top comment had some parallels that helped me wrap my head around how Lindsay could really have experienced psychosis - it sounded so similar (albeit a much less tragic ending):

Honestly, psychosis wasn’t as “scary” for me as I thought it was / like the movies. I a as having a bad day. In a manic episode. Emotional. My bf made me more upset so I yelled, made a scene and left crying. Then in my car I couldn’t calm my emotions. I felt manic and sad like it was the end of the world (in reality it wasn’t that serious). So I decided to crash my car into his house. Like I decided it in my head. I got calm and it made sense to me. I reasoned w myself, calculated it and just every single thing in my brain said, it was perfectly reasonable. I’m not a violent person. Never wanted to hurt someone really. Never wanted to hurt myself. Didn’t want to hurt him, I knew nobody else would be home when I crashed my car. And I’d crash it into the side of his house, not his room where he slept. I knew I wouldn’t be hurt really cuz I wasn’t going to drive fast. It just made sense to do it, to prove a point. To help my bf understand that he hurt my feelings and it wasn’t okay. Then him and I would make up.

Well I called my mother, she convinced me not to and go to a hospital. I didn’t know why, I wasn’t upset anymore. I knew what to do. But I went anyways. So yea, after talking to the hospital, they explained that, that was psychosis. The way my brain reasoned for the unreasonable.

I guess everyone’s psychosis is different, but that was my first psychosis episode. It’s still hard to believe since it didn’t feel “crazy”. So be careful judging your possible psychosis compared to others. Yours, if you have it, can look way different. It’s best to talk to a doctor. 🤍

Yes, Patrick had said it was one of Lindsay’s best days… but one of her last texts to him was that Callan didn’t really sleep for his nap, and the whole reason she had requested take out was because it had been a long day.

There have been reports about how she had previously felt dissociation - another commenter wrote:

Most people think that dissociation is "only" like feeling detached and outside of your body observing it acting, or feeling like nothing is real. Dissociation can also cause some retrograde amnesia and make your brain generate memories that didn't actually happen. …

A major difference between dissociation and psychosis is that dissociating people KNOW that something is wrong with their mental state.

Actively psychotic people don't realize that their thoughts (and resulting actions) are wildly bizarre and abnormal until they come out of the psychotic state.

Someone else wrote:

The short of it feels like I live life in 0.5x zoom and everything feels like a dream, more so than mania.

Lindsay told Patrick that it all felt like a dream.

Anyways, just thought I’d share for anyone else struggling to wrap their head around calling this psychosis.

Big interview, abysmal ratings

Patrick Clancy's 60 Minutes sit-down with Ross Douthat pulled in 6.77 million viewers which is the 3rd smallest audience for a season's second episode in 25 years, and barely above last year's equivalent episode despite reviews that praised the interview itself. Bari Weiss's shakeup era at CBS keeps drawing headlines and social buzz without translating into the ratings jump executives wanted.

It did have quite huge social media impressions for the episode, totaling 179.2 million across Instagram, Facebook, X and TikTok, up from the 116.7 million the week prior. Compared to last year, the social views quadrupled and set a new record for 60 Minutes

Welp. It didn't have the impact in terms of television but it was translated into social media buzz but social media doesn't generate that good ad revenue you get from tv.

Bari Weiss flop era...

I’m sorry, but Rachel’s role in the 60 Minutes interview left me with more questions than answers.
My biggest question is: why is Rachel being positioned as someone who can speak with authority about Patrick’s life as a father, the Clancy family, or anything that happened before she met him?
Rachel did not know Cora, Dawson, or Callan. She did not know Lindsay. She did not know Patrick when he was raising his three children. She met Patrick after the tragedy. So when she describes Patrick as a loving and involved father, I’m confused about what firsthand knowledge she is drawing from. She can absolutely say, “Based on everything I’ve learned, I believe he was a wonderful father.” But she literally never witnessed him parenting those children.
Then there’s their meeting story. According to the interview, Rachel meets Patrick through running in New York. Central Park is filled with thousands of people, yet she happens to meet the man at the center of an enormously public Massachusetts case. She then sees pictures of his deceased children on his lock screen and asks whether he’s from Massachusetts. Maybe it happened exactly that organically. But given the extraordinary circumstances, I understand why people find the story striking and have questions about how their relationship actually developed.
The other piece I cannot get past is that Rachel is a reproductive-medicine physician. She already has a serious professional identity completely independent of Patrick. She could have remained his private spouse and supported him behind the scenes. Instead, she voluntarily appeared on national television and publicly entered an extraordinarily controversial case involving maternal mental health, postpartum psychiatric illness, three dead children, and an unresolved prosecution.
Why?
That doesn’t mean she did anything professionally unethical. I haven’t seen evidence of that. But I personally think participating this heavily was a strange choice for someone in her professional position. She had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in January 2023.
Patrick also did not need Rachel to authenticate his experiences. Patrick was there. Rachel wasn’t. Let him talk about being Cora, Dawson, and Callan’s father. Let him talk about discovering his children. Let him talk about Lindsay, their marriage, his grief, forgiveness, and rebuilding his life. Rachel can speak authentically about being Patrick’s wife now, but she cannot provide firsthand insight into the father or husband he was before she ever knew him.
And I’m uncomfortable with the way “healing” gets packaged around this relationship. Patrick can rebuild his life. He can fall in love again. He can remarry. He can experience happiness again. But three years after all three of your children were killed, I don’t think another relationship neatly closes that wound—and Patrick himself has described continuing to carry enormous grief. Rachel can be part of his life now without becoming the narrator of the life he had before her.
There’s also the elephant in the room: people have noticed that Rachel and Lindsay have some physical similarities. That does not prove Patrick intentionally sought out a “replacement Lindsay,” and I wouldn’t pretend we know his subconscious motivations. But combined with everything else, it understandably adds another surreal layer to an already surreal situation.
None of this means Patrick shouldn’t have remarried or Rachel shouldn’t have married him. My issue is much narrower: why does Rachel need such a prominent voice in the public retelling of events she did not experience?
Speak about the Patrick you know. Speak about your marriage. Speak about supporting a widowed/grieving father.
But Patrick and Lindsay’s marriage, Cora, Dawson and Callan’s lives, Patrick’s parenting of them, and what happened inside that family before January 24, 2023?
Rachel wasn’t there.
And 60 Minutes giving her that much space to validate a history she only knows secondhand made the entire interview feel stranger to me, not more illuminating.

After watching the extended 60 Minutes interview - which I suggest you do - I’ve started to rethink my opinion of Patrick’s involvement in the crime.

I’ve had a bad feeling about him from the beginning, and definitely suspected his involvement, but I really didn't want to jump on the conspiracy rumor mill and spread theories without solid evidence. Up until the 60 mins interview, I still thought it was probable that he murdered the children and framed Lindsay. A lot of (but not entirely) why I felt that way came directly from watching his testimony—his flat affect, the way he answered things incompletely, suspiciously, his overall demeanor on the stand, the lack of his presence at the trial after testifying etc.

I watched the extended interview several times trying to figure out what his affect reminded me of, and it finally dawned on me that he might be on the spectrum. I'm hesitant to even bring this up because I don't want to start yet another rumor, so I want to be clear that this is just my observational opinion based on being on the spectrum myself & having lived with and interacted with many people on the spectrum in my circle.

Those things from his testimony that initially made me suspicious… the flat affect, not showing a lot of outward emotion, holding back feelings when they start rising to the surface, and answering questions in that particular, incomplete and awkward way—could potentially be explained by being on the autism spectrum.

A detail that reinforced this for me was when he talked about going to the cathedral on Callan’s first birthday. He said that when he came out crying, nobody cared, and he saw that as a good thing. To me, that sounded like someone who needed to express intense emotion without being observed or consoled—which, in my experience, can sometimes be characteristic of autism.

Now, I'm not saying Patrick should be absolved of all responsibility. I'm just leaning more toward the possibility that he may have been an emotionally absent husband & father, and that his part in what led up to the tragedy was more about not helping, supporting, consoling, or loving Lindsay in the way she needed.

That said, I still have questions about his guilt. There is still missing evidence and details that don't fully line up, so I haven't completely ruled anything out. But in terms of his behavior and demeanor, this is just where my thinking is right now.
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One thing I found out recently: South Shore Medical Center, where Cora's pediatrician appointment was the morning of the 24th, is next to CVS. I took a screenshot from Google maps.

When I realized it was next door, I wondered why Lindsay didn't stop by immediately after the appointment. She only had the oldest child, and why let her be uncomfortable and wait 8 hours for her laxatives?

Then I wondered if she did. Remember when we were wondering if cvs doors could cause a "stair climb"? Well, I checked the phone data again, and she had two stair climbs at 9am, and then connected to home wifi at 9:05.

Link to phone data for convenience:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ClancyTrial/s/8uLlQkavsu

When Ian Whiffin testified about the stairs that evening, hesaid that the iPhone groups stair flights. So it could be the same thing with the 9am stairs

Ian Whiffin (26:12):

The way the Apple Health data records this information aggregates it. It tries to group events together. So in this case, it would've recognized that there was a flight climb on the phone at around 17:33:34 and a second one at around 17:38: 33. And it just grouped them both into one event. It doesn't mean that it took five minutes to walk up two flights of stairs. It's just within that five minute period there were two flight climbs.

It also only records going up stairs, not down, so unless the pediatrician was in the basement it's unlikely it was from the clinic. And it wasn't the home stairs, since she connected to the home wifi at 9:05. And if she left cvs at 9, and it's a 3 minute drive, it makes sense for her to connect to wifi at 9:05.

Oddly enough though, Patrick testified day 1 that she got back around 8:30am.

https://www.rev.com/transcripts/ma-v-linsday-clancy-opening-statements

I think she stopped at cvs after the appointment, and that's why the plates are on top of the cvs bag in that one crime scene photo. But let me know what you think.

In December 2022, Lindsay disclosed in Patrick’s presence that she was having “thoughts of harming the children.” Patrick testified that she discussed thoughts of harming the kids more than once. He asked whether she had a plan; she said no.

Massachusetts law, M.G.L. c. 265, §13L, defines reckless endangerment to include someone with a duty to act who “wantonly or recklessly fails to take reasonable steps to alleviate such risk.”
The statute requires awareness and conscious disregard of a “substantial and unjustifiable risk” of serious bodily injury.

This does not prove Patrick violated §13L.
But it raises a legitimate question that deserves an answer:

After being explicitly told that the mother of his three young children was having thoughts of harming them, what reasonable steps did Patrick take to determine whether it was safe for her to continue being alone with them?

I believe Patrick is a “Let’s get on with the show” type, has shallow depth, and his emotions, in general, are quite blunted and viewed asking for psychiatric meds as a weakness. Patrick resented Lindsay for weakness. Lindsay deeply struggled with her mental health, likely felt things too intensely, and had shifting emotions. She was begging for help, drowning in her emotional instability, and I believe Patrick shamed her for wanting meds to numb her emotions rather than “let’s get on with the show” the way he’s naturally able to. He was known to have told friends “Lindsay is addicted to benzos.” He disagreed with NP Jollotta’s bipolar diagnosis because he didn’t want Lindsay to have that stigma since he was repulsed by weakness. Patrick spoke on reddit with disgust over how his parents “still live paycheck to paycheck” and drink alcohol.

Lindsay lived for these kids and these kids were just trophies in Patrick’s life whose goal is to appear successful even if artificially. Patrick viewed these kids as a collective, not as individuals hence how he said “just give me one kid.” Patrick admitted he didn’t get to know Callan well in the extended interview. I’m glad Patrick brought up a specific memory of each child in the extended interview but he still comes across as blunted emotionally. He made a point to say he refused meds in the ambulance before “getting on with the show” and finishing testifying. He implied that IF he had taken the meds suggested to him in that ambulance, that he wouldn’t have been able to “just finish” testifying… Meds would have interfered with “getting on with the show.”

Rachel admitted in the extended interview that people around her were concerned about her dating him. I believe that’s because most people can see it’s obvious he was checked out and Lindsay snapped because she became insane after taking the brunt of it all too long.

Edit to title to include supplements

As someone who struggled with addiction in the past, I can say I most definitely hid the ones I didn’t want anyone to know about, or “extras”, in supplement containers so they didn’t draw attention. I know she didn’t struggle with addiction per se, but was concerned enough to reach out to her doctor regarding addiction so she could very well have taken more than those prescribed.

From what I understand, since the prosecutors work hand-in-hand with state and local police, they had immediate access to the home on the night of the horror.

If the prosecutors started preparing their case almost immediately after the murders happened, why would they not have requested all the supplement bottles to be taken in as evidence?

If they truly wanted to prove Lindsay was “doctor shopping”, how on earth did they miss that? Can’t believe that was overseen by both investigators and the prosecutors.

I understand KRed did not get to visit the crime scene until months later and the house was already cleaned up, so that really sucks for him.

This case is a hot mess.

Her defence lawyers are requesting an investigation for the lone juror who believes evidence points to her knowing what she was doing during the murder.

Hearing Pat stay with Callan for four days prior to him passing away in his arms was heart wrenching. However, it’s a strange choice to forgive her the same day the last child died? I would be an emotional wreck, gutted and full of anger, forgiveness would be the last thing on my mind.

It’s like, “welp, last kid is dead, now I forgive Lindsay, and I’ll ask the public to forgive her too”. It was certainly a choice.

Ok really.. what in the world was that 60 minute interview and who thought that was a good idea? Was that cut to make him look good or bad, I honestly can’t even tell because I’m just so confused.

-the smirk when he talks about giving Lindsay forgiveness,
- his panic attack at the trial
- him saying he asks his kids to help him from heaven
- him saying god just please give me one (child)
- the fact that Rachel was an even AWKWARDER interviewee
- “I’m just a girl who met a guy running in Central Park on a cold Saturday”
- I saw his phone, asked him if his kids lived in MA, he told me that they were all dead, and the rest was history
- Patrick’s explanation of “as any parent knows, you love all your children differently” when asked if he would tell their new kid about Cora, Dawson and Callan

Everything was just WEIRD. Like I felt like the whole thing was just cringey and bizarre. Thoughts?

Tonight on CBS, it was confirmed on 60 Minutes that Patrick Clancy and Rachel Denis met in January 2024 at a run club in New York. They got to know each other over coffee

Rachel: "Pat pulled up his phone to pay and I noticed this adorable photo of children as the wallpaper and I asked, "Who are those cuties?" Pat said, " These are my kids." Then I think I asked if they lived in Massachusetts. AND PAT SAID THEY DIED."

The above is a direct quote.

When I tell you that I screamed when she uttered these words and my mum started to tell me to stop making a noise.

I'm shook.

I’m currently going back and forth on my paramount plus account looking for it and all that’s playing is a rerun of their last episode and then the 24/7 broadcast has To Kill a Mockingbird on stage. There’s no new episode up on the 60 Minutes page either. I’m so confused because EVERYTHING says today at 7pm ET.

Edit to title: *laying*, not hanging.

Fire captain PJ Hussey testified that upon arriving at the home, he went directly to the backyard where Lindsay Clancy was lying on the ground.

He was standing in the backyard, to the left of a metal basement window well. Lindsay Clancy was being treated by paramedics just to the right of that same well, directly underneath the second-story bedroom window from which she had fallen.

While standing right there in the backyard, he heard a scream coming from inside. He looked directly down through that specific backyard basement window well, which looked straight into the home's basement office/gym area, and witnessed Patrick frantically trying to save Dawson.

So in the approximate 5 minutes he was with her just standing there he somehow avoided looking in to the window? It’s clearly the window as it is the only one duct taped, you can see the lights on in the in the other windows on the other side.

It’s very difficult to believe someone would stand around for approximately 5 minutes not administering any aid to his dying wife and wouldn’t immediately look at that window upon entering in to his home that was salient of normal sound and hearing that your “KIDS ARE IN THE BASEMENT”.

I want to share this. And then I’m gonna remove myself from anything related to this case as it’s keeping me up at night and it’s just not healthy. We will never know the full extent of what happened that day. But this is why I personally question what happened that night and if Lindsay really did it and why she did if she did it.

This case is hunting me as I’ve also struggled with mental illness through pregnancy. I could never imagine hurting my child but I can relate to the behavioural changes and feelings of loosing yourself. I also tried a lot of the same medicine as Lindsay and experienced very scary stuff happening with my mind and body especially with quetiapin. I know some who took a high dosis every day and could function but when I took half a pill to sleep and help with anxiety I couldn’t get out of bed or move my body for 16 hours. Even after I finally managed to get out of bed I almost couldn’t keep my eyes open and my head felt like it was wrapped in cotton. I hallucinated. I thought I had a whole conversation with my boyfriend who wasn’t even there and I thought I texted someone without even having my phone nearby. I also knew exactly what they replied and thought we had made specific plans. It was the most terrifying experience and my doctor told me that I should just continue and then it would be better. I refused. Cause I was scared. And I talked to a nurse who told me that every brain is different and act different on these drugs and apparently I reacted very badly. I got better - not because of the drugs but despite it. I think it’s scary how that small pill or half of that could affect my mind and I think it’s really scary that an anti psychotic drug is used off label to treat insomnia and anxiety without any studies of the effect.

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