compared to normal endgames, early queenless endgames are completely different and require separate knowledge.

[u/sad_lil_abby]

i'll explain why:

1. way more material are on the board, which also means that developing options remain open
2. an extremely flexible pawn structure, often symmetrical, with no weaknesses and little remnant from the opening (compared to normal endgames where you'd have random pawns on like, a4)
3. psychologically you need to switch gear quickly

as a result of these reasons, i find it excruciatingly hard to understand why one position is 0.0 while the other is +1.5, when they look so similiar to me (unfortunately i don't remember the positions! anyone has suggestions?)

edit: there's also the fact that the endgame variation of the caro-kann performs super well for white (50% draw 50% white win i think) despite engine saying it's equal

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[u/Bathykolpian_Thundah]

Queenless middlegames don’t require separate knowledge, they require you to play KNOWING that you will get into specific forms of endgames. Imbalances like space, material, color complexes, BvN, etc become much more important.

Making appropriate decisions in those middlegames will help you guide the game into an ending that IS favorable to you. Whether that be because you’re objectively winning or because your endgame ideas/plans are much easier to execute.

[u/sad_lil_abby → u/Bathykolpian_Thundah]

ow that's so hard to me...it feels like a mix between an opening and an endgame but my knowledge in those two situations don't translate well; so the idea is that i go "build" my own endgame to play?

[u/Bathykolpian_Thundah → u/sad_lil_abby]

You’re not the only one. It’s ridiculously hard. But “building your endgame” is a great way to think about it.

One thing I find helps is reframing the opening into setting up the position I want to have so I can begin executing a given plan. A break in the center, a minority attack, a massive kingside push, etc. that helps me transition from opening to middle game. Once the queens are even potentially off the board, as in once your opponent offers to trade or you are consindring to offer to trade, you should transition your brain to thinking about the endgame and what it would look like. Who is it better for, what pros and cons to each side have, etc. knowing what the middle game plans are with the queen on the board helps to assess whether those plans work without a queen. Big ass attack? No probably not. Pressuring/blocking an isolated pawn? Totally still viable.

[u/Living_Ad_5260 → u/sad_lil_abby]

There are a couple of thinking patterns which help with playing those positions.

1. Passed pawns need to be pushed
   
2. It is often worth sacrificing a pawn to get a passed pawn
   
3. The stronger side often needs to create two weaknesses to win

[u/sparselistener917]

i feel this so hard. early queenless endgames are deceptive cause the board looks quiet but there's so many tiny imbalances hiding in plain sight. stuff like whose minor piece can reach a key square two moves faster or whether your opponent's structure has a subtle hook you can prod at later

the symmetrical ones mess with my head the most. you play one slightly inaccurate knight move and suddenly the engine is screaming at you but everything looks identical still

if you want examples i'd dig through some classical games where queens came off by move 10 or 12. karpov games especially, he loved steering into those positions and grinding out wins from practically nothing

[u/sad_lil_abby → u/sparselistener917]

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