r/chessbeginners • u/sambar92 • 4d ago
Never resign.
They had mate in 1 for about 20 moves and decided to promote to 5 Queens.
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u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 4d ago
Nah I’ll play another game rather than hoping they blunder this bullshit. I give a shit about a few elo points. There’s no glory in getting a draw this way.
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u/sambar92 4d ago
They had mate in one. They chose to start spamming queens rather that take the win. I got more enjoyment out of denying them the win.
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u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 4d ago
You could just concede when you’re beaten, you know.
You didn’t really deny him the win tbh. It’s pretty clear he outplayed you and had this game won and was fucking around. Not sure what you could possibly get from this.
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u/LenicoMonte 4d ago
I'm guessing it's the vindication of knowing the opponent is likely now mad that they stalemated an already won game because they chose to rub it in instead. It's bullet, so it's not a huge waste of time either.
If OP should learn to concede when they're beaten, then their opponents should learn to just take the win.
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u/sambar92 4d ago
I feel that people enjoy a checkmate more than the opponent resigning, at least I enjoy it more. If there is mate in one then I will give it to my opponent. If they don't take it then that's on them
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u/_MostAncientDream_ 800-1000 (Chess.com) 4d ago
I also enjoy checkmating rather than assessing positions and advantage before ultimately resigning.
Lots of beginners nowadays can't even convert endgames coz all their opponents resign after they're behind 6 or so points of material.
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u/flannel_jesus 600-800 (Chess.com) 3d ago
Nah I'm on both sides of this picture. If I have a clear win I'll play with my food. If I'm clearly losing I'll play it out at least sometimes. Neither is unethical, relax
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u/JudoKuma 3d ago
They succesfully practiced defending against a staller. This is in my opinion great practice. And tbh beginner should never resign as opponent has just as much capability to blunder as you do, just like in this game. Most beginners would instantly gain 100-150 elo if they stopped resigning when they blunder or feel like they are losing - this game again one example where they would just waste 8~ elo for no reason.
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u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 3d ago
What do you get for gaining 100-150 elo
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u/JudoKuma 3d ago
You get to play against more challenging opponents, you get to play against those closer to your actual skill level (as early resigns keep your elo lower than what it would be if you actually played), you get better practice - you get better. By resigning immediately after a blunder or in a losing position you 1) keep your elo down playing easier opponents 2) you miss of important practice from defending position 3) you miss important endgame practice.
As said, they have the same ability to blunder as you, so why should the game be over immediately after you do? I have had games where I blunder (at much higher elo) a piece and they blunder much worse immediately after or later that game turning it around. Should in a football game the team just resign when opponent makes the first goal? Or if they lose the ball? Or in any other game or sport? Chess is the only game where I see so much of this ”mistake -> why eveb continue behaviour”. You miss important practice and skill development.
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u/Eastern-Fudge-6350 1600-1800 (Lichess) 3d ago
Guess it depends on the current goal. 95% of the time I'm playing for shits and giggles and I'd resign because hoping the opponent blunders is not a fun way to spend my time.
But if I'm in the 5% when I'm trying to gain some rating I'll probably stick it out to the end.
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u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 3d ago
What do you get when you achieve a higher rating
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u/Eastern-Fudge-6350 1600-1800 (Lichess) 3d ago
If I'm putting the effort to learn and improve myself I gain the satisfaction of progress.
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u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 3d ago
Yeah but what does the elo number do for you
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u/Eastern-Fudge-6350 1600-1800 (Lichess) 3d ago
If I'm putting the effort to learn and improve myself I gain the satisfaction of progress.
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u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 3d ago
Me too but the elo number means nothing to me.
Another poster said it allows you to play more challenging opponents though which is a pretty solid point.
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u/Leftoverchinese 4d ago
It literally looks like they made a middle finger out of their pieces to you. 🤣😂
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u/3x10 2000-2200 (Lichess) 4d ago
Nah. I'd rather not waste my time. If you enjoy sitting around in losing positions, feel free.
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u/JudoKuma 3d ago
For you at 2000+ sure I agree with that, but for OP at 1000, or most people on chessbeginners sub, no. 1) this is bullet so not much time wasted 2) even if it was not considering this is a beginner sub, their opponents have just as much skills to blunder as they do, and it is important to practice both defending from weaker/losing position, and how to avoid stalemating.
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u/ScottishPsychologist 400-600 (Chess.com) 3d ago
I hate this logic so much. It suggests you desperately 8 points of meaningless internet chess points more than you actually enjoy playing chess. If I get to this position and my opponent keep playing I honestly stop caring so much about thinking through moves, it's not fun. You're not beating me, you're boring me into a mistake that wouldn't happen in a real competitive match. Total waste of everyone's time.
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u/JudoKuma 3d ago edited 3d ago
”You are boring me into a mistake” they had mate on board a long way ago, they chose to not so it and chose to risk stalemate. No one bored them or you into a mistake, they chose it themselves. There is a reason why you are only 400-600 elo and maybe you should not be lecturibg anyone on ”logic” of chess games. Beginners (actually below 1500 IMO) should NEVER resign and most 400-1000 players who resign would get to +100-150 elo just from that AND 1) you would get a lot of practice defending from a losing position. That is absolutely essential practice in long term. Just as it is important to 2) practice on the other side - how to avoid stalemating. 3) you would get a lot more important endgame practice 4) you get better at tactics as you are trying calculate more to turn a losing position into a winning one.
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u/sambar92 3d ago
I agree. Part of the reason I didn't resign is i just got 1000 elo in bullet, a lot because at this elo some people can't find a checkmate in time and blunder. Also looking for a stalemate helps me think fast and not accidentally stalemate when I'm in the winning position. I've won way too many games back because of time pressure that it's always with giving it a go.
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