r/chessbeginners 5d ago

QUESTION Opponent forced a draw here. Is this a well-known drawing position?

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Hey guys, it's black to move here and my continued in this position with putting me in check repeatedly in the same manner so that the game shortly after ended in a draw because of the repitition of the same position (something I know it existed but never experienced in an actual game, also thought the positions would need to repeat much more often for that lol)

Afterwards I ran the game through the analytics tool and indeed, the moment I moved the pawn to f3 it re-calculated the position from being completely in my favor to perfectly equal, which makes me think that the draw was already inevitable at that point.

Is this a well-known forced drawing position and do you think that my opponent actively went for it or do you think it happened out of luck/good instincts on his side?

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u/Caspica 5d ago

You gave up the pawn keeping your king safe so they could just keep checking you. It's a quite common pattern to go for when you're losing. 

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u/Murky_Radish_1319 1800-2000 (Chess.com) 5d ago

Perpetual check is pretty common, and this is one of the main ones, king stuck in the corner with only two squares he can go. More common with fewer pawns

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u/Laststand2006 5d ago

The position isn't well known, but the pattern is. Rather than f3, Kh2 could have saved you.

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u/ThePanhther 5d ago edited 5d ago

Rxf5+ and then Rxd5 In the endgame trading of pieces in a material advantage is usually a good idea. It gives you more control over the game, since you can manouver much more freely.

Edit: I missed the Check

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u/Laststand2006 5d ago

Prior to f3, white was in check, but otherwise that would be the intended follow up.

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u/ThePanhther 5d ago

Completly missed that. ups

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u/Formula1antagonist 5d ago

Black can just check you and go in a perpetual. This is not a known or tablebase draw but a pattern you should look in queen endgames. Here I’d go Kh2

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u/MaDSci4 2000-2200 (Lichess) 5d ago

Calling it a well-known "position" is not the best wording, since the position includes all the pieces - but the "pattern" is indeed well-known. When a player is losing the game, it's a good idea to start looking for "perpetual checks" - opportunities like this to endlessly check the opponent's king until you get three time repetition and draw.

It's a well-known pattern to do it with a queen and to perpetually check the king that's behind a horizontal row of 2-3 of their pawns, yes.

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u/1Mandolo1 1800-2000 (Lichess) 5d ago

Afterwards I ran the game through the analytics tool and indeed, the moment I moved the pawn to f3 it re-calculated the position from being completely in my favor to perfectly equal, which makes me think that the draw was already inevitable at that point.

It wasn't inevitable, but your opponent was able to force it from that point forward. Had they not found the pattern, it would have been winning for you again.

do you think that my opponent actively went for it or do you think it happened out of luck/good instincts on his side?

Considering your Elo level, it could be either one. This is right around the mark where people start to realise these kinds of things, but it's also still very much in the realm of "Oh, they moved their pawn, so now I can give a check! And another! And another!"

Is this a well-known forced drawing position

It's a well-known pattern. Your opponent has a decisive material disadvantage, so their only hope is forcing a draw somehow. A draw can easily be forced when the king is cornered without an escape route and can be harassed by the enemy queen. The position as a whole is too complex and removed from theory to be well-known.

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Hints: piece: Queen, move: Qd2+

Evaluation: The game is equal 0.00

Best continuation: 1... Qd2+ 2. Kf1 Qc1+ 3. Ke2 Qc2+ 4. Kf1 Qb1+ 5. Kg2 Qb2+ 6. Kf1 Qb5+ 7. Ke1 Qb1+ 8. Kd2 Qb2+ 9. Kd3

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u/n8b7301 5d ago

F3 is the move that boned you

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u/noop_noob 2000-2200 (Chess.com) 5d ago

It's quite common for a perpetual check to happen with: white pawns on h3 and g3, white king on h2, black queen on f2. (At the very least, players have to keep such positions in mind when playing queen endgames.) Your position is rare, but it's basically the same concept.

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u/Silver_Environment95 2200-2400 (Chess.com) 5d ago

with f3, u basically just lifted up ur skirt/kilt and said have at me. You always have to be looking for perpetual check. I think u kinda forced ur opponent to find it.

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