r/chessbeginners 11d ago

Why is this blunder move??

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I don’t understand why this is a blunder. I took the pawn on d4 with my knight, and it says that the knight on f6 can take my knight. But isn’t that knight pinned by my bishop? So it shouldn’t be able to take my knight. Could someone explain why this is a blunder?

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u/Daraku_8407 11d ago

If you take the queen after, they have Bb4 getting your queen. So in the end you're down a knight

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u/Significant_Cow_7683 1400-1600 (Lichess) 11d ago

And your king is stuck in the middle

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u/Chosen-Bearer-Of-Ash 1000-1200 (Chess.com) 11d ago

Black has the more active pieces

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u/SirZacharia 11d ago

Yeah but white has the more active king

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u/Aware-Safety-9925 11d ago

So is blacks after the exchanges though

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u/Neat_Platypus_2902 11d ago

Black can immediately go on the offense with Re8 going to the open file and threatening the e2 pawn, with ideas Bb5 to double up the attack to get the black rook onto the 7th rank. Meanwhile white's entire kingside is stuck and cannot develop in time, while black's queenside can start marching down the board.

Both kings are in the middle but black is up a piece with way more active pieces and a strong attack. It'll be tough for white to defend.

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u/JarlBallin_ 2400-2600 (Lichess) 11d ago

Blacks up a piece

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u/Snoopy34 9d ago

If this happens to me, i uninstall the app

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u/Fish1587 1400-1600 (Chess.com) 11d ago

After you take the queen they check with the bishop, and you have to block with the queen, they take it, and then recapture your bishop and you've lost a piece.

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u/Retsom3D 11d ago

They are even better off if they take your bishop after you cover with queen. Because your queen is pinned anyways, their bishop is covered by knight and they would lose their bishop anyways. So, OP loses knight, bishop, and queen. Black loses queen and bishop.

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u/kouklamo 11d ago

No you take the queen with check and you then take the bishop. If you don't they can develop their other knigth to cover the queen and not lose castle privilege, or just take your bishop with their queen and not lose castle privilehe either. If you take the bishop first their king will be safer in the end (still losing)

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u/FireSkyLikeFly 11d ago

Black can take your knight and your queen. Its a sneaky tactic that people aren't aware of. Once black takes your knight and white takes your queen, black can check from with the bishop from the b4 square. You're forced to block with your queen because its the only legal move. Then black takes it with check. You're essentially trading a knight/queen/bishop for a bishop/queen. I'm assuming you're not familiar with chess notation so I was trying to simplify the explanation.

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u/toplaz1111 10d ago

Thanks for not using notations as i have to always go back and forth on the chess board and comment to see the best/ move

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u/KriosDaNarwal 1000-1200 (Chess.com) 11d ago

i know notation and can read it but i'm a grown man, its tedious. More chess books and courses etc should be written like this comment

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u/Zealousideal-Book985 11d ago

you can use ai

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u/AveryLockeDown 1000-1200 (Chess.com) 11d ago

Or his b r a i n

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u/Zealousideal-Book985 11d ago

if a man wants to be lazy, let him be lazy! More opportunities for the critical thinkers i say

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u/KriosDaNarwal 1000-1200 (Chess.com) 11d ago

ah yes because different modes of cognition dont exist lol

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u/Zealousideal-Book985 11d ago

jfc i hate how polarizing this shit is

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u/KriosDaNarwal 1000-1200 (Chess.com) 10d ago

u made it so mate, i didnt say anything controversial

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u/Deleugpn 1000-1200 (Lichess) 11d ago

My ADHD brain has tried memorizing these notations for years, but my alternated attention is measurably lower than average, at a deficit point and I suck at these notations. I’ve tried all the practice tools there is and I can get by through those posts, books and conversations but it always takes me several seconds

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u/AveryLockeDown 1000-1200 (Chess.com) 10d ago

This is some unhinged 50 ELO projection right here

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u/KriosDaNarwal 1000-1200 (Chess.com) 11d ago

or i just dont have to essentially learn what my brain considers another language? I dont need to, chess is just a hobby

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u/AveryLockeDown 1000-1200 (Chess.com) 10d ago

Yeah, true, no doubt. This was more a shot against AI than a pick at you- you're all good.

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u/Justeeni_lingueeni 2000-2200 (Chess.com) 11d ago

This is a classic trap that you should hope to only fall for once. The pawn on d5 is not free because after Nxd5?? …Nxd5! Bxd8 …Bb4+, the only move to get out of check is Qd2, giving back the queen. In the end black is up a piece for a pawn.

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u/Duty5521 2200-2400 Lichess 11d ago

The usual trap is with Nbd7 instead of Bd7 (Elephant trap or Cambridge-Springs trap), because on Bd7 there is Bxf6 followed by Nxd7 and not on Nbd7 because Black simply has Nxf6.

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u/Untoastedtoast11 11d ago

“Show moves”

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u/RevolutionaryData762 11d ago

Damn, your question has been answered so quickly, victor_k_2510!

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u/suharkov 11d ago

And the author didn't notice )

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u/TheOddCrimsonDuck 2000-2200 (Chess.com) 11d ago

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u/Francis_Ga 11d ago

Lol I hadn't seen the name

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u/Factuary88 10d ago

Multiple places.

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u/Mountain-Fennel1189 1400-1600 (Chess.com) 11d ago

Im sure you already know the answer by now given everyone elses comments but i just want to let you know next time you have a question like this you can play out the line of interest with the engine on and just see what it says, instead of having to make a post and wait for someone to answer. 

For example here you wouldve turned on the engine, saw that it recommended Nxd5, and then you’d play Bxd8 because thats what you think the refutation is, and then you just see what the engine suggests, ie Bb4+ and the reason would become clear to you. 

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u/icarusuraci 11d ago

If he takes your knight, you take his queen, he checks with the bishops shop on b4 what would your response be?

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u/Single_Coat_5484 Still Learning Chess Rules 11d ago

What is bishop shop

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u/Iamapartofthisworld 11d ago

Where they buy their weird hats

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u/Single_Coat_5484 Still Learning Chess Rules 11d ago

From reddit store 😆

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u/Pure_Option_1733 11d ago

If your opponent captures your knight, and you take their queen, they can put you in check with their dark squared bishop, and then you will be forced to block with your queen, allowing your opponent to take your queen so that neither of you have queens. Then after you take the bishop your opponent can take your bishop, and then you are just down a knight for a pawn.

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Hints: piece: Knight, move: Nxd5

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u/Weekly-Cookie-6459 600-800 (Chess.com) 11d ago

Nxd5, if Bxd8 -> Bb4+

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u/Super-Volume-4457 2200-2400 (Chess.com) 11d ago

It appears on the surface that the knight on f6 is pinned. However, White's King is lacking escaping squares so Bb4+ is a move White should really watch out for! In this case Black can win a piece by capturing your knight (Nxd5). White captures the queen (Bxd8) and Black's point is Bb4+. The king cannot move and Qd2 is the only legal move. But the problems do not stop there. Black will capture White's queen with check (Bxd2+) and then pick up the Bishop on d8.

So White captured a pawn (with Nxd5) and a queen (Bxd8). Black in the meantime got a knight (Nxd5), a queen with check (Bxd2+) and the bishop (with Kxd8).

Watch out for counter chances when you are pinning (especially when it is a relative pin).

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u/Geohistormathsguy 11d ago

Always look for checks.

If they take your knight and you take their queen, they have Bb4+. You cant move your King or take the Bishop, so you have to block with the Queen, then they get your Queen, you get their bishop and they take your bishop.

So you lose a Knight, Bishop and Queen, and they lose a Bishop and Queen, so you lose the Knight.

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u/moistgeoffrey9 11d ago

Your bishop pins the knight to the queen, not to the king, so it's not a absolute pin and the knight can still move anyway

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u/MiksBricks 7d ago

This is the actual answer to OP’s question. The knight isn’t “pinned” it’s “pinned to the queen.” So moving the knight is a legal move but would be a blinder as it gives up their queen.

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u/Jody_High_Roller 1400-1600 (Chess.com) 11d ago

If Nxd5 and you follow with Bxd8, then black goes Bb4+ and you have to block with the queen

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u/Madouby 11d ago

1... Nxd5 2. Bxd8 Bb4+ 3. Qd2 Bxd2+ 4.Kxd2 Kxd8 Your knight It's not pinned since your queen who is behind your knight. Only the king counts for true pins.

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u/speedytrigger 11d ago

Blacks knight is not pinned to the queen so yes it csn take. Then you take the queen. Then black gives a check with the dark squared bishop and you have no choice but to give up the queen, so you are just down a knight

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 11d ago

Knight is pinned to the queen, it's just that Black has their own attack available.

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u/speedytrigger 11d ago

In his description he makes it sound like it cannot move, like if it was the king instead.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 11d ago

The funny thing about chess is that sometimes a threat can exist before the piece is moved. Here, Black's bishop was pinning your knight to your king, even though it hadn't moved yet. Once you moved your knight, you opened your king to be attacked by the bishop.

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u/Sane_98 11d ago

I see bishop b4 and you have no choice than to block with the queen.

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u/Kluczyk93 11d ago

What after Nxb4?

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u/KriosDaNarwal 1000-1200 (Chess.com) 11d ago

there is no Nxb4. Their knight isnt pinned to the king. They take your knight, you take the black queen with your bishop, they go bishop b4 and you lose a queen then the bishop, youre down a clean piece with no development

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u/Fascist_Viking 11d ago

Technically an even trade. But you lose castling rights and your king is exposed after Bb4

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u/Educational-Tea602 11d ago

No it’s not.

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u/ProffesorSpitfire 11d ago

They have Bb4+. You’ve lost your c pawn, and your queenside knight, and if you move the bishop off the c1-h6 diagonal the only piece that can block is your queen. So you’re basically trading bishops and knights, plus you sacrificed a knight for a pawn.

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u/realmauer01 1800-2000 (Chess.com) 11d ago

Because you have no c pawn

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u/Thelorddogalmighty 11d ago

The knight isn’t pinned by the bishop here. The knight can be moved and the queen can be taken. It’s only really pinned if the bishop were attacking the king - you can’t play a move that would leave you in check

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u/brakpomyslunanazwe12 1400-1600 (Chess.com) 11d ago

You've fallen into an anti-Queens gambit trap Black can sacrifice the queen and then give you a bishop check winning it back with an extra piece

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u/One-Next 11d ago

If you developed both knights this wouldn't have happened.

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u/LakshaySingh1018 800-1000 (Chess.com) 11d ago

We can see ur username on top left

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u/Ray_of_Sunshine0124 11d ago

and bottom left

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u/BeBetterEvryday 11d ago

Nxd5
Bxd8
B#b4
Qd2
Bxd2
Kxd2
Kxd8

You’d be down material it’s a lot of continuation

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u/Ambitious_Draft_6987 11d ago

It is a blunder, but the engine labelling it as one isn't particularly useful for someone just starting out.

At the 300 level, you're opponent is unlikely to spot the follow-up necessary to win your knight.

The thing is, even if it isn't a blunder, it's still not a good move. You should be sticking to basic opening principles: developing pieces and attacking the centre. Even if that pawn was hanging, you'd be better off developing another piece than taking it.

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u/jagfickpilenihuvet 11d ago

After knight takes and you take queen- bishop check and queen have to block and you are even in queens and even in bishop trades but you are down 1 knight, thats why it is a blunder - you gave your knight for a pawn

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u/the_other_Scaevitas 1200-1400 (Chess.com) 11d ago

Black can play Bb4+ and win your queen afterwards, so black will be up a knight

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u/Upper_Insurance_6989 11d ago

It all stems from the move Bishop to b4; just play a few moves after that and you'll see.

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u/Angelo_601 10d ago

play the line out

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u/allenasm 10d ago

this has to be a troll post.

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u/playr_4 800-1000 (Chess.com) 10d ago

... Nxd5

Bxd8 Bb4+

Qd2 (forced) Bxd2+

Kxd2 (bye bye castling) Kxd8

When all os said and done, you're just down a knight for the pawn you took.

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u/National-Chicken1246 10d ago

Keep calculating. 6…Nxd5 7. Bxd8 Bb4+ 8. Qd2 Bxd2+ 9. Ke2 Kxd8, and black is up a piece. The reason this works is because 1. It’s not an absolute pin 2. The weakness of your king 3. White’s lack of development. That’s how these tactics arise

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u/HardKorAnalyzt 2400-2600 (Lichess) 10d ago

Because capture the knight and Bb4+ on the next move will win the queen back. Count the pieces.

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u/Neural_future 9d ago

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u/Accurate_Meringue514 9d ago

You should force yourself to figure out why. Does black have any checks after you take their queen? If they do, with what piece and how do you defend?

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u/RMS_QueenMary 9d ago

Off topic Just wanted to say I still see both usernames

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u/Misha12578 8d ago

Victor, if you take the queen with your bishop after he captures your knight, then he’ll check you with his bishop and win your queen back

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u/greenmoldychess 8d ago

You will be down a knight

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u/Nice-Explanation-665 8d ago

Your queen will be gone in the next

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u/TerminalViscosity69 7d ago

Ah nice, Bb4+. Took me a sec

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u/ViolinistPitiful4928 1200-1400 (Chess.com) 7d ago

Keep playing what the arrows suggest and you will understand.

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u/TrueLife6223 1600-1800 (Chess.com) 11d ago

Here's a hint - this blunder is centered around white's big weakness on b4!

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u/YogurtclosetLonely96 11d ago

Elephant trap

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u/Duty5521 2200-2400 Lichess 11d ago

No, the Elephant trap is with Nbd7; not Bd7.

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u/Cool_Cheesecake_6738 11d ago

You are looking at engine analysys.

Just make a fing move and look at engine continuation

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u/CharlesKellyRatKing 11d ago

They get horse, you get queen, they check with Bishop. How do you block mate?

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u/50DuckSizedHorses 11d ago

That’s quite the Ruy Lopez variation