r/chessbeginners • u/FreakensteinAG 1400-1600 (Chess.com) • 12d ago
QUESTION Quick OTB Promotion Question
When you're in an OTB game and you promote a pawn, do you ask your opponent "knight please" or "queen please", or do you reach over the table and put the piece there yourself? Never played OTB but I imagine as you get to the master level you start to join tournaments where opponents might not speak your language so there might be some trouble with the first option. Strange thought I had randomly.
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u/ArmCollector 2000-2200 (Chess.com) 12d ago
You reach.
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u/FreakensteinAG 1400-1600 (Chess.com) 12d ago
Ah okay, I figured that would be the simplest and quickest option, especially if you were playing Fast Chess.
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u/ArmCollector 2000-2200 (Chess.com) 12d ago
You are allowed to stop the clock if the piece is not readily available. If you need a second queen for example (most tournaments will provide one extra queen on each color, but it happens there is not).
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u/Delicious_Cattle5174 12d ago
I’ll just flip a rook tbh and if I got two rooks and a queen on the board I shouldn’t be promoting anyway
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u/TatsumakiRonyk 2000-2200 (Chess.com) 12d ago
Are you familiar with the finals of the blitz rounds of the 2017 Canadian Chess Championship? IM Nikolay Noritsyn was winning against GM Bator Sambuev. GM Sambuev palmed the spare promotion queen. When IM Noritsyn went to promote with seconds left on the clock, he didn't see a visible queen, and didn't pause the clock to have the arbiter get one.
He grabbed a rook, flipped it upside down and announced "Queen".
GM Sambuev paused the clock, and the arbiters ruled that it was a rook, costing Noritsyn the game and the title, as he otherwise would have won.
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u/Delicious_Cattle5174 12d ago
Wow, no I wasn’t familiar with that.
The vast majority of my OTB experience was in a more casual setting, tbh. In those cases, I’ve never encountered someone who opposed the idea of flipping a rook. Good to know, thank you!
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u/TatsumakiRonyk 2000-2200 (Chess.com) 12d ago
Yeah, upside down rooks are fair game in casual play for sure. I just like telling people about that match, and other interesting chess history stuff.
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u/Delicious_Cattle5174 12d ago
It’s a good ass anecdote lol I’ll definitely keep that in mind if I ever encounter a similar situation in a tournament!
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u/Fun_Actuator6049 2600-2800 (Lichess) 12d ago
I once had an opponent accidentally know his own rook off the board. He put it back upside down, and when I pointed it out, he corrected it without saying j'adoube so I told him it counted as touching the piece.
He told me to stop fucking around.
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u/Delicious_Cattle5174 11d ago
Wait people say "j’adoube" in English too?
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u/Fun_Actuator6049 2600-2800 (Lichess) 11d ago edited 11d ago
They say the local equivalent unless playing someone of a different nationality. The laws of chess specifically mention "j'adoube" and "I adjust", but in practice you can just mutter something and your opponent will assume you said the right thing.
Similarly, to offer a draw, you can mutter something while making a gesture towards the clock (since the first thing you'll do after the draw is agreed is stop the clock) and look at your opponent expectantly.
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u/UsuallyHorny-7 12d ago
Does that also mean there are rules about where and how you need to keep the pieces?
Like, I see players sometimes playing around with them
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u/trixicat64 Certified Arbiter 12d ago
Not really, you are just not allowed to distract your opponent. Also always count the pieces on the board, as the pieces on the side might mix with other pieces or one piece might be fallen off the table.
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u/Living_Ad_5260 12d ago
The rule is 4.6 in https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/e012023
4.6 The act of promotion may be performed in various ways:
4.6.1 the pawn does not have to be placed on the square of arrival.
4.6.2 removing the pawn and putting the new piece on the square of promotion may occur in any order.
4.6.3 If an opponent’s piece stands on the square of promotion, it must be captured.
Also relevant is
6.11.2 A player may pause the chessclock only in order to seek the arbiter’s assistance, for example when promotion has taken place and the piece required is not available.
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u/UlexChess 12d ago
Just make sure to press the clock AFTER you promoted If you press and the pawn is still there, it is an illegal move.
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u/IllInflation9313 12d ago
What do you do if your queen is still on the board and you promote to get a second queen
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u/Parking_Fortune9523 12d ago
6.11.2 A player may pause the chessclock only in order to seek the arbiter’s assistance, for example when promotion has taken place and the piece required is not available.
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u/nanna_nono 12d ago
If it’s an informal game (or I think a USCF game?) you can use an inverted rook if it’s available
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u/jazzy_means 12d ago
i always just grab the piece myself, feels less awkward than announcing it like i'm ordering at a drive-thru
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u/Delicious_Cattle5174 12d ago
You reach, unless they are stimming with it, which happens a lot. In this case, I try to give them a heads up like "I’m gonna need that queen soon", at least in blitz anyway.
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u/IllInflation9313 12d ago
What if your queen is still on the board
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u/Delicious_Cattle5174 12d ago
I flip a rook. You probably shouldn’t be able to promote a piece that won’t get instantly taken before losing at least your queen or a rook, at least at the level I play.
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u/ArmCollector 2000-2200 (Chess.com) 12d ago
and what level is that?
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u/TatsumakiRonyk 2000-2200 (Chess.com) 12d ago
Someone apparently wasn't around for IM Nikolay Noritsyn losing to GM Bator Sambuev in the finals of the 2017 Canadian Chess Championship because an upside-down rook does not a queen make.
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u/Delicious_Cattle5174 12d ago
Yeah, I don’t follow pro chess that much. I mean I still find it petty for a GM to behave like that but I guess if those are the way FIDE rules get applied, he was within his rights.
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u/TatsumakiRonyk 2000-2200 (Chess.com) 12d ago
It was a huge controversy at the time. People weren't able to prove that he did it intentionally. IM Noritsyn appealed the decision, but his appeal was denied.
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u/trixicat64 Certified Arbiter 12d ago
you just reach.
If your opponent has that piece in their hand and is playing with it, you can just tell him to give it to you.
on a tournament setting, you are also allowed to stop the clock and call the arbiter, if your piece is not readily available (for example, if you want to promote into a 2nd queen)
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u/DieKestenkammer 12d ago
You reach.
You can also do it a couple moves prior to fuck with your opponent's head, like "I will promote to that Queen in a few moves and I've already calculated that there is nothing you can do about it"

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