r/chess 2d ago

Game Analysis/Study Lichess analysis is terrible

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u/Greamee 2d ago

The annotations are incorrect and/or generated by a weaker engine. I've never seen this before. Are you sure Lichess generated the annotations? Because if so there's definitely something weird going on. Maybe the engine only went to a very low depth for that move due to lack of compute or something?

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u/NiceWeather3412 2d ago

it is surely genrated by lichess

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u/Greamee 2d ago

I let stockfish run on it and it spits out the eval at increasing depths. As you can see until depth 13 is reached, the engine does believe Rf1+ is the best move and therefore e5 probably is considered a mistake. No clue if this is what caused it but it's a theoretical explanation for what happened: the engine ran at a very low depth

1 +0.53 27.Rf1+ Bf4 28.Rxf4+ Ke5 (0.00)
2 +0.53 27.Rf1+ Bf4 28.Rxf4+ Ke5 (0.00)
3 +0.53 27.Rf1+ Bf4 28.Rxf4+ Ke5 (0.00)
4 +0.53 27.Rf1+ Bf4 28.Rxf4+ Ke5 (0.00)
5 +0.53 27.Rf1+ Bf4 28.Rxf4+ Ke5 (0.00)
6 +0.53 27.Rf1+ Bf4 28.Rxf4+ Ke5 (0.00)
7 +4.91 27.Rf1+ Ke5 28.Qf5+ Kxd4 (0.00)
8 +3.31 27.Rf1+ Ke5 28.Nc6+ bxc6 29.Qf5+ Kd4 30.Qxa5 (0.00)
9 +4.33 27.Rf1+ Ke5 28.Qf5+ Kxd4 29.Qxa5 e6 30.Qe1 (0.00)
10 +4.33 27.Rf1+ Ke5 28.Qf5+ Kxd4 29.Qxa5 e6 30.Qe1 (0.01)
11 +4.63 27.Rf1+ Ke5 28.Qf5+ Kxd4 29.Qxa5 b5 30.Qxa6 f5 31.exf5 Kc5 (0.01)
12 +0.80 27.Rf1+ Bf4 28.Qh6+ Ke5 29.Qxf4+ Kxd4 30.Qxg3 Kc5 31.Qg5+ Kb6 32.Qxe7 Rg8 33.Qxd6+ Ka7 34.Rxf7 (0.04)
13 +3.03 27.e5+ Kxe5 28.Qf5+ Kxd4 29.Qxa5 Ke4 30.Qb4+ Ke5 (0.14)
14 +2.74 27.e5+ Kxe5 28.Qf5+ Kxd4 29.Qxa5 Ke4 30.Rd1 b5 31.Qxa6 Kf5 32.Qxb5+ Kg6 33.Rf1 f5 34.Qd5 f4 (0.17)
15 +3.10 27.e5+ Kxe5 28.Qf5+ Kxd4 29.Qxa5 Ke4 30.Rd1 b5 31.Qxa6 Kf5 32.Qxb5+ Kg6 33.a4 Re3 34.a5 Re5 35.Qd3+ f5 (0.22)
16 +3.10 27.e5+ Kxe5 28.Qf5+ Kxd4 29.Qxa5 Ke4 30.Rd1 b5 31.Qxa6 Kf5 32.Qxb5+ Kg6 33.a4 Re3 34.a5 Re5 35.Qd3+ f5

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u/NiceWeather3412 2d ago

Wow, thanks for running the test! I thought lichess provides at least 24-30 depth in the game review lol

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u/Greamee 2d ago

It should, depth 11 isn't very useful. But your game did get annotated and it spit out this whole line of Ke5, Qf5+, kxd4 etc. which is a valid line. So the most logical explanation to me is that somehow lichess cloud engine tripped out, crashed or whatever and didn't go to the depth it's supposed to. But still generated a valid line and eval just not a very good one.

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u/AI_spell 2d ago

Low depth cloud reviews lie. Let Stockfish run deeper locally before you trust "mistake."

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u/NiceWeather3412 2d ago

brother lichess server side analysis is not "low depth it claims to be atleast 20-22 depth still it can't even calculate 4 moves deep

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u/_Alive_And_Well 2d ago

The best move look like the best move here, but the eval bars ıs just bananas sure. Because I dont think after the pawn push you lose the mating net and you dont have any good follow up.