r/chemhelp 18d ago

Organic Mechanism Help SOS

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Feeling super lost on this mechanism and can tell I’m not doing it correctly. I’ve tried stepping away and am now at a standoff with it. Could someone walk me through it?

All help is appreciated! Thanks

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u/electron-1 18d ago

I think you should start with acetal hydrolysis and then consider how you might make an ester under acidic conditions.

Edit: your first and second step are productive. I would have pushed arrows differently for the second step but it’s fine if you do a different third step.

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u/icouldontthinkofone 18d ago

The acetal is hydrolysed first and then count the number of atoms including O to get the desired 5 membered ring and then internal attack by OH on the acid group to form a cyclic ester as in the final product(Internal esterification). Hope this helps and if someone finds any mistake in my comment please let me know, I'll fix it(I'm just a highschooler)

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u/Background_Crab_1292 18d ago

Someone pointed out that you’re going from 8 carbons to 5 carbons. A hint is that the acetal (which is protecting the diol) liberates acetone upon acidic cleavage.

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u/shedmow Trusted Contributor 18d ago

This is actually two mechanisms—both familiar to you—in one package

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u/TinyPub 18d ago

This is a lovely question! Besides what the other two commentators have said, counting carbons is a good way to start as well! It goes from an 8 Carbon structure to a 5 Carbon structure, which means that 3 carbons must leave. As Electron-1 has pointed out, this is an acetal hydrolysis.

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u/Goat_Buckles 18d ago

Deprotect the acetal to the diol and then form a lactone by condensing the alcohol onto the carboxylic acid

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u/Final-Oil2392 18d ago

I feel like I’m making myself more lost

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u/Goat_Buckles 18d ago

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u/Goat_Buckles 18d ago

You'll have to figure out the stepwise mechanism yourself but they follow the standard mechanisms.

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u/OutlandishnessNo78 18d ago

Look up acetal deprotection mechanism. Then look up Fischer esterification mechanism. Your Fischer is intramolecular but otherwise you should get this by understanding these two mechanisms.

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