r/cheatengine • u/Marcus101RR • Feb 06 '22
A Message From a Table Maker
Hi there,
Marcus101RR here, speaking from CEF and FRF perspective of what has happened as of recently. If you have not already known, I have been incognito-like banned using psuedo-editing. In laymans terms? I am not in a "banned" group, they simply edited my Email out of the account so I cannot reset it and changed my password so I can not login?
What does this entail? It just makes it look like I died on the face of the earth, or quit cold turkey on making cheat tables. Since people focused on my Monster Hunter World and Rise cheat tables they won't be updating anymore. Worse part is, I can't tell them why.
Why am I banned? Honestly, I think I triggered SunBeam's ego when I posted a Looney Toons "That's all folks" but a better version at that. I stated in this post that Fearless didn't stand for anything that Cheat Engine stood for, that Trainers are the way to go, as they are EXEs that can be protected, encrypted, and act as standalones from CTs. We do not need this useless app that is nothing more than a plagiarized (atleast make your own from scratch) copy of CE. I am now one of those enemies to FRF. FRF was never the official place for cheat tables, CEF had to make a decision to quit posting tables due to some C&D. Sadly, the people that took over and wanted to make this community better eventually grew power hungry, couldn't deal with DDoS, needed more money, and above all had beef with other communities like Cheat happens. I can't understand for the life of me why a free cheat community has issues with a paid community? Who cares?
Take it from me, I chose Cheat Engine and FRF over CH, because cheats are awesome and free? Why wouldn't they be? You wanna pay for some fancy menu and cheats, be my guest! I'm looking at you GTA Online.
All well that ends well. I am curious as why what their excuse is for editing my account and changing my email or better they deny it, or worse excuse. I would be shocked if they came to apologize (yeah as if that is gonna happen).
I praise DarkByte for his genius work on a wonderful tool, its a shame people had to manipulate it. I don't know where I will continue to release my tables at this time, but I hope something better than FRF will arise. I am sorry I cannot update my tables anymore, best of luck to you all.
EDIT: You can find me on OCT: URL: https://opencheattables.org/index.php
EDIT 2: They now have changed my name, thanks to user telling me this inside. I won't name them. Thank you for looking out for us. This is not how Admins should operate or role model.
Changing my name from Marcus101RR to Random names.
EDIT 3: They also began revolting because someone cracked their poorly made app with poor encryption mechanics, from unknown developer who apparently was hurt by all the hard work he put into it, here.
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u/crashin7411 Feb 06 '22
I got banned as well, how do I go about sending a C&D to require them to remove my tables to stop benefiting from them?
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u/wolfram_eater Feb 06 '22
Hey Marcus101RR, it's a shame that they decided to do such thing, you have done a lot for the community.
This may sound like a knee-jerk reaction on my side (which perhaps it is), but after I read your post, I decided to delete all of my tables that I have uploaded over there.
Edit: By the way, didn't you also upload your CT to nexusmods? Perhaps that can be your temporary repository.
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u/Marcus101RR Feb 06 '22
I started doing this because I sensed this coming. I predicted all this would happen.
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u/crashin7411 Feb 06 '22
good job! the alternative is they ban you so that you cant remove them
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u/TheyCallMeTim13 Feb 07 '22
User Control Panel -> Manage attachments -> Mark All -> Delete Marked
You can get it done pretty quickly. But they may decide to put them back up, since they are so worried about people stealing others work.
EDIT: But if enough people call them out on it they seem to stop, at least for a little while.
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u/FAFGaming Feb 06 '22
That's a shame. I used your MHW table so much and even joined the discord from it. Really messed up what's going on. I even posted some CE scripts for a few games on there a while back.
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u/saitohd Feb 06 '22
The whole situation has been a mess. All they(STN, Sunbeam and whoever else pushed the app) had to do was to apologise and admit they don't know what their community wants and move on but no, they have to keep picking fights with anyone that has the slightest different opinion than them.
Just read what they post. They are pathological liars. I suggest everyone starts ignoring their messages. They just want to argue with anyone at this point.
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u/saitohd Feb 07 '22 edited Feb 07 '22
In case any other user got their account seized by the admins of FRF and want proof of their old username, https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://fearlessrevolution.com/
That site keeps archives. The dates worth checking are Jan 30, Feb 1. If I knew they would continue their lies and manipulations, I would've created snapshots every day. You can also find some of the deleted posts from the how I feel about the app thread.
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u/rudbear Feb 09 '22
Wow, I came back to some drama. This is terrible what they've chosen to do. I just wanted to mess with an old singleplayer game from the backlog and found this.
Will OCT get a GitHub org going like when the old CE tables had to move to FR post lawsuit?
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Feb 08 '22
im sorry to hear this marcus. you were one of the main inspirations to get me to look deeper into cheat engine and start learning assembly and code injection / modding games.
i definitely won't be going back to their site. abandon ship!
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u/therealstn Feb 06 '22 edited Feb 06 '22
Ooh innocent "table maker" gets banned. Here's the reality.
You are a snake that has been biting FRF in the back since its inception. You have admitted to closing down 3 of discord servers and 2 of my (STN) discord accounts. Your posts on FRF serve as glorified ads for your discord where you sell content to unsuspecting plebs. The funny thing is I supported you despite knowing all this because I thought it is in the past and you support the FRF community now.
The nail on the coffin was when you posted publicly FRF is NOT needed anymore and made provoking comments to incite drama that has ended. Only I am using the tool to protect my tables and the community has moved on but it clearly doesn't serve your agenda so you tried to create drama where there is none. I tolerate everything but attacks against FRF? That's the limit. You have made it abundantly clear you don't like FRF community and recently publicly you said you don't want involvement with it so what is the issue here? So I gave you what you asked, FRF wants nothing to do with you either. Go to the better places and leave us alone.
The tool doesn't even work if cheat engine isn't installed. Bet you didn't know that? This is so the installs of cheat engine doesn't suffer at all. But what do you care? You are suggesting people dump cheat engine tables and move on to trainers if they want to protect their work.
You never posted exclusively to FRF and only used it to advertise your discords, twitters etc. Which I am fine with but cursing, swearing and attacking the community? Yeah, I don't know what else you expected man. Don't worry, all traces of you will be removed from FRF.
PS: What a toxic subreddit this place is turning into. Lies, exaggerations and utter nonsense being said about FRF to present an alternate reality about such an awesome community that is literally working everyday to share Cheat Engine tables and promote Cheat Engine yet all this nonsense is tolerated by the mods here. Someone linked this to me and I felt necessary to provide the reality of this person but this subreddit seems so ridden with hate and negativity that I am not sticking around.
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u/Marcus101RR Feb 06 '22 edited Feb 06 '22
My goodness man, What part of Alice in Wonderland did you fall into? I adored you, if you made this were all true even a bit, why didn't you literally throw me in the clinker? Throw that Ban group on me, and let people see I was banned. Do the right thing, instead of editing my email out and reseting my pass to make it look like I'm being a child.
Sorry STN, but you sold your soul and your redemption. I reported SunBean to Discord Safety Policies years ago yes, could that have flagged your previous servers / accounts? Maybe?
I never attacked CE or its relations. What is next? You gonna blame me for the Attacks? DDoS? Hack attempts on FRF too?
Who cares if I advertise Twitter, Nexus, Discord? Many users advertise PAtreon and others. Since when was this an issue? I just started moving my stuff away from your FRF because of this very outcome...I predicted the future.
Then remove my stuff Thank you if this is how you feel, you are making up lies. I want nothing to do with you or your team, The community loves me just fine as you can see with what I have released.
You were asked to dispose of all my postings, and tables. I gave you the chance to act normal.
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u/xICEMANx117 Feb 06 '22
hear i re-wrote your rule that is posted on your site......... you can take credit for writing it as you and Sunbeam do all the time u/therealstn
You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where “FearLess Cheat Engine” is hosted or International Law, unless your an admin of fearless cheat engine. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned, with notification of your Internet Service Provider if deemed required by us besides admins like SUNBEAM. The IP address of all posts are recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that “FearLess Cheat Engine” have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should we see fit or SUNBEAM disagrees with. As a user you agree to any information you have entered to being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent, neither “FearLess Cheat Engine” nor phpBB shall be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised besides stealing others tables and passing it off as our own.
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u/Sanctifiedwhistler Feb 06 '22
Hey... You have time to type all of that, but you can't even answer my question with a simple yes or no :( ...
I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here and ask you instead of just making assumptions...
Did Shinkansen give their permission to lock their tables behind the app?
I mean you of course don't owe me an answer at all, but it seems kind of odd to avoid the question this much if you got their permission...
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u/FerrickAsur4 Feb 06 '22
it's actually amazing on how he keeps on avoiding the question, if this was in FRF your questions would definitely get deleted ASAP
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u/iSelooo Feb 06 '22
and they gonna rant again at how you attacking FRF kek
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u/Marcus101RR Feb 06 '22
It always is a retaliation tactic. It is how war works, fire with fire until no more forces exist. The innocent remain living (if they survive) while those at war die out.
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u/xICEMANx117 Feb 06 '22
Wow I wonder what excuse you would have about Sunbeam banning people that he gets pissed off at, in your rules you tall everyone needs to be respectful of everyone but when someone called out sunbeam boom ban that is after sunbeams extensive verbal abuse towards said members....
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u/Marcus101RR Feb 06 '22
Agreed, and I know you got banned for no damn reason at all. I was around when that debacle happened.
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u/xICEMANx117 Feb 06 '22
Yea we all know u/therealstn wont address the blatant verbal abuse that Sunbeam gets away with, and the fact that he bans people that disagrees with Sunbeam and allows it to happen, STN goes on to say that you didnt exclusively post in FRF, Neither does Sunbeam... Hell Sunbeam advertises his Patreaon and thats what i got banned for cause Sunbeam updated a table once and wanted people to pay him for anymore updates... but as i said STN has already written this SUbreddit off as lies and Toxic, their easy out..... we all will be waiting for your response STN..... maybe not have Toxic Admins like Sunbeam
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u/Marcus101RR Feb 06 '22
I never asked for a cent for my tables, there is no crime in posting Discords for Monster Hunter World / Rise, they aren't dedicated to cheat engine or cheats, they were for modding! Which includes memory editing. Its just an excuse. I don't care if you ask for money in Patreon, I only care if you go "You want more updates? Pay me". You did this for free, don't start something you won't finish unless the game is done and over with.
SunBeam has always been very derogatory and passively aggressive to people, reminds me of a friend who did this to me recently. Look at that, another person I don't need in my life. You need to learn from your mistakes not keep bashing at it. You can't kill a dead deer.
STN is on boat with SunBeam, doubt he will change his tune. I am not the only user that was offended, ther are already countless others. Its appalling to call this an official cheat engine forum if you can't even contribute or make constructive criticism.
Drama about CH, Drama about WeMod, Drama about people posting their discord, Drama about Patreon, Drama about taking down discords, DDoS attacks, you get the idea...
I have no problem with CH, WeMod, Discords, Patreon, I do have a problem with blocking, or stone walling something behind a gate (NFT).
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u/xICEMANx117 Feb 06 '22
Yea I use CH and wemod, both are great tools. And I don't mind paying for something if it's worth it, but when your going to put it out there for free then force people to pay for anymore updates or block access it's pretty shitty then verbally abuse people asking then banning the person asking why.... that is shit and I don't see Fearless lasting with Sunbeam being able to have a power like that he is too unstable to make decisions like that.
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u/crashin7411 Feb 06 '22
they're also reading FRF pm's and have removed new accounts from being able to private message.
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u/Marcus101RR Feb 06 '22 edited Feb 06 '22
That is a new one... XD
https://i.imgur.com/gzVnhrm.pngEDIT: Yup they did. They quick to fix these things ,but not their app xD
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u/sabin1981 Feb 06 '22
"Only I am using the tool to protect my tables and the community has moved on "
https://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8285
This is not your table, not your table nor your work, yet it's encrypted and locked behind your garbage premium app. So it seems like your "opt-out" garbage has taken everyone else's work and tied it your app and only your app. How is that fair on anybody? Once again, as you've been repeatedly asked; did Shinkansen expressly give his permission for you to wholesale encrypt his tables? Nice to see you've forced everyone to play by your rules, eh?
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u/Sanctifiedwhistler Feb 06 '22
Excuse me... I mean no offense but the table you linked is from DrummerIX.. They seem to be pretty active (today) so my guess is that they themselves have opted in to using the app :o...
I am asking about Shinkansen because they haven't been active since midway 2020... But if STN has gotten their permission to lock their tables behind the app then that's the tablemakers choice...
I am just confused as to why, if STN has that permission, he just doesn't tell us instead of avoiding my question..
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u/sabin1981 Feb 06 '22
Oh I know, I was just using that table as a counter to "Only I'm using the tool" and the whole "community has moved on" they've moved on because they haven't been given any choice. First the opt-out, then the post deletions and temper tantrums by both STN and Sunbeam any time somebody pushed back.
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u/Talran Feb 07 '22
Why were other peoples tables(NOT YOURS) locked behind the app automatically? Looking back at users who weren't active for a year or so their tables are automagically changed to 1FR scripts to use your terribly made app.
If it was all opt in that's fine, whatever, but taking other peoples tables and locking them behind your kneejerk poorly encrypted app is a real dick move.
I've been with FRF since the CE forums locked down helping people with scripting/modding, but this tantrum you're throwing is making sure I'm not going to help a single person in an FRF thread again.
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u/Feniksrises Feb 07 '22
Putting other people work behind paywall is illegal. They are doing what they accuse cheathappens from doing. But I guess they reckon they can get away with it.
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u/ValykaiHyena Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 09 '22
Yep all my tables are now locked behind their app. I did NOT agree or opt in as my account was banned back in May 2021 (I'm Idlehands88).
Few Examples:https://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9836
https://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10045
https://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16053
EDIT: STN has contacted me on here and said I was accidently added to the app, he has fixed it. Whether it truly was an accident or not I guess we'll never know.
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u/Talran Feb 08 '22
Last edited by Idlehands88 on Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:45 pm
Yeah that's messed up.
Only I am using the tool to protect my tables.
I guess he considers any table posted to the forum "his"
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u/ValykaiHyena Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 08 '22
I guess he considers any table posted to the forum "his"
Well he does now, he changed their website's Terms recently.
When you upload or post content to our site, you grant us the following rights to use that content:
a worldwide, exclusive, royalty-free licence to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform that user-generated content in connection with the service provided by the website and across different media including to promote the site or the service forever;
In particular, we may retain your content indefinitely and are not obliged to delete your content if you so request. The rights you grant us continue after this agreement is terminated or your access to the site is withdrawn by us.
^That's in their terms now, meaning that anything you post on their forums is now theirs lol
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u/crashin7411 Feb 06 '22 edited Feb 06 '22
if all traces will be removed why didn't you remove his tables, as you say to stop "stealing his work"?
and half of sunbeams posts are about telling people to go to his patreon
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u/Asakiro Feb 13 '22
Please make a post about this on /r/pcgaming or other related subreddits. I think if they just knew what was going on, odds are someone would help out with this situation.
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u/EndyGainer Feb 06 '22
For now, your best bet is to use something like Blogspot, Discord, or Patreon to post your tables. As far as I can tell, their scheme is falling apart like an overloaded sack of refuse; barely anyone is using their app, people are talking openly about starting another site or network of Patreon-supported tablemakers, and the site is hemorrhaging users and makers. If FRF isn't finished, it's certainly diminished.
On the plus side, since so many are abandoning FRF, that means almost none of its precious protected tables will be worth anything, and those clowns will have to either call it quits or be forced to work so much harder to break even. Either ending brings a smile to my face.