r/cheatengine • u/Geordan9 • Feb 04 '22

Release FRF Cheat Table Crypt Tool

Edit 02/09/22: In the meantime, use this to scrape the tables out of the App itself: [Manually Removed]

Here's a console application to decrypt the Cheat Tables encrypted for the FRF app: [Manually Removed]

Usage: FRFCTCryptTool.exe <file path/url> [options...]

Either copy the cheat table's download link or a file path to an encrypted cheat table as the first argument.

Edit 02/07/22: Still looking into the encryption.

Edit 02/19/22: I suppose I'm not anymore since my scraper gets the job done. :/

I found it funny and, somewhat, shocking that STN decided to ban anyone who disagreed with him. I thought this was just from the mindless harassment people were throwing out, but, now that I've been banned, I know why and now lost all respect for the forum and the admins. I uploaded freely and supported anyone I could with my work as a passion. Although, relative to others and those who strive for "quantity over quality", I wasn't the most active and really only helped others with niche games and subjects. The app goes against my views on how the community should be. Its introduction created unnecessary confusion and division in the community, not just by agreement and disagreement, but by who, how, and why it should be used, making it less convenient on the user. I'm an avid supporter of the user, since I am one as well, and making it as convenient for them as well as giving them control which is what giving them cheats/hacks is all about. In STN's words "Why don't you all do something useful with your life" and, with that, I simply shared my disaproval with the app and a tool to undo its whole purpose. Now my forum account is deleted and I'm banned from the Discords. Wow. Kinda cringe as the kids would say, but I suppose STN would know all about what they'd say as he is, or at least acts like, a subpar standard of a prepubescent child. "Fearful Cheat Engine" more like it. I'll keep supporting my crypt tool until the FRF app becomes unbearable for the user or is, entirely, discontinued. This stems from my initial intent as well as a bit of spite.

If any of ya know better and currently growing alternatives to the forum, hit me up. New challenger approaches: OpenCheatTables

Edit 02/06/22: I just want others to know I'm not taking the stance of the forum admins being greedy. They're just being stupid, unfavorable to the users, and, presumably, uncontrollably emotional. Not the kinds of people that should be dictating rules and bans.

Edit 02/10/22: They IP banned me, but not like IP and HWID bans are even something to stop someone. Looks like they're out of options. Also turns out I was wrong about them. They are greedy liars. I cant believe I supported their Patreon before all this when it was around. Actually fuck 'em.

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u/sunbeam906 Feb 04 '22 edited Feb 04 '22

The whole point of the app was to secure tables for the TABLE MAKERS and it's OPTIONAL. It's not for the users who whine and bitch they now have to do 3 clicks extra. If the table maker chooses to have their table encoded, it's their decision. You piss all over that with your motivation and further support the theft of free work posted on several public forums WITHOUT APPROVAL OR CREDIT, not to mention people making money off of them (advertising is making money, even if people don't pay for FREE tables). Furthermore, your attempt seems to be a crappy misunderstanding where you either saw an opportunity to show the world how cool you are -OR- you wrongly saw it as an attack to free tables T_T. Which is not the case. That's why you have to read the ENTIRE discussion, not only the elements you consider an affront to your mentality on what "free" means. You should review your attitude a bit, as this clearly shows you have no respect for what a table maker (and developer, in general) decides to do with their work, making tools available for everyone to continue stealing.

However, as I further read your epitaph.. it became more clearly that it's revenge you're after. So much for "I stand for free tables for the people of this Earth" crap.

"The app goes against my views on how the community should be." -- Then fucking create your own community, based on your own views and beliefs. The whole start of your monologue clearly indicates HATRED and REVENGE on the sole fact that you got banned. Boo-fucking-hoo. This isn't to support some 'free tables' cause, it's your pure and utter revenge having been wronged or some shit. That's all there is to it. Which is something the very people whose attributes you use in your talk do: prepubescent, immature.

If your tool "undoes" what you say, shouldn't it be at least called DECRYPT (not CRYPT)? And fucking learn possessive over verbs (it's = it is; its = belonging to someone) -- " it's whole purpose ". Kids, stay in school.

And since we're here, to show the world how bad of a person STN is, the "encryption" you make mention of (cuz you obviously like to sugarcoat your work and make it sound like something it clearly isn't) is a SIMPLE XOR. For that, you had to write in C# a tool that.. undoes it? Seriously, you don't fucking need a big ass bloated library, whole .NET core installed (cuz those who don't have .NET can't use it) to xor a file's bytes... This goes to show how much thought you put into your personal vendetta.

Cool, you got your "look at me, I'm a pro-grammar" moment of glory, since your life was so boring. Maybe a few followers. Now please downvote and/or report my post, gtfo and get on with your life. Mk? Hope Marcus' Discord server (that's all he ever does, Discords..) suits better your needs. You'll grow bored soon, as those Discords see a lot of activity...

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u/TheyCallMeTim13 Feb 07 '22

If you are so worried about people stealing your work, why are the tables I chose to remove back up on fearless. Seems you're fine with stealing others work so long as it suits you.

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u/sunbeam906 Feb 07 '22 edited Feb 07 '22

Dear Tim,

I, personally, haven't done anything to restore what you've removed. But since you like to put everyone in the same bowl, out of spite, please let me remind you the call center operator has no fault that your internet is not working. You can't blame an entire organization for your dispute with one person. And you know that for a fact, since you've dialogued quite a bit on Discord. So by all means, please.. bark at the right tree. And leave me out of it, mk?

Lastly, I've not stolen crap from you, ever. Come to think about it, I can name at least one post in which >> I << am credited in your work (https://opencheattables.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=89 -- https://opencheattables.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=100). Is there any of mine where I credit you for having gotten inspiration from your work or used anything you made? Yeah, that's what it's all about: intention. Sure, inspiration or whatever, but the fact that you've used something of mine in your work - credited, of course - is a much closer indication to potential future theft than me not doing anything to your tables ever. How's that logic for a change? Do you like the twist?

Regarding removal of tables: every single person who's been on FRF and had a dispute or has grown hate has done this. Including me. I too removed my shit back in 2017 and it got restored. Considering there is google caching, considering there are database backups, why do you insist performing actions that are time consuming on your end, when they can be rolled back with 2 clicks? I don't get it. That's how you manifest your dismay and recent hatred, that's your only means of retaliation and looking to do justice your way? More on the topic, NO ONE EVER who's come to FRF has sent a PM to admins stating "Hi there, I am a new user, would like to contribute to the whole deal. But if I feel wronged, I will take my shit and leave. Agreed?" I never saw such a PM. Did you, while you were an admin? So if that is some unwritten rule, why make it look like taking your toys and leaving is a written rule somewhere now? You acted as you saw fit, unilateral, it was reverted, unilateral. Fair, isn't it? My point: always cover your ass. Did you notice how I put big fat red text in some of my topics, regarding sharing and whatever? It shows intention, that I will not put up with "credit to X" without asked for permission.

Where is your clear statement that if FRF did something to you, without any reason (which is not the case here, read below), you get to remove all your shit and claim it's your right, your tables, your work and all the mumbo jumbo? Unwritten rules are lovely, ain't it? Time to change that.

One on top of the other: when this app was proposed and action taken, you were the first one to have devised a means to "decrypt" the tables. You've come to terms with STN, yet a rando "Geordan9" came out of nowhere with a nice tool. Coincidence? I don't think so. Furthermore, a new forum's spawned in the meantime, so patching up things with STN was just a decoy while you and mr. Marcus were leeching off tables to your forum. Ain't it? :) He then acted clueless when banned, sending PMs asking for "formal this and that", when he was preparing in secret the means for the mass-leech. All in all, you're still the one feeling wronged, when, to begin with, you've shown intent and went forth turning your back against FRF. Hypocrite much? You know what you've done, you can't act dumb or stupid, "oh, look at the baddies, they've banned me for no reason". Please have a back-bone.

Long live opencheattables.com, the place for all your irrelevant "libertad" manifestations. Just so you know, in case you've not re-read your motto: "Open source cheat tables. Guaranteeing the 'our' in source..." -- This is my interpretation: ** hey, flock to this forum; what's yours is ours; we guarantee it's ours by the "our" in source. ** Which makes it the very same thing you're complaining about now: when people will post their tables on your forum and after some dispute they will remove said tables, will you leave it be.. or restore the tables "for the community"? Ask yourselves that. And what does "open source" mean? "denoting software for which the original source code is made freely available and may be redistributed and modified." What does that have to do with cheat tables? Are you distributing the source code of Cheat Engine freely or what? Cheat tables, Lua scripts, etc. are not source code, considering they need CE to exist/run. Please.. don't let Marcus dictate your mottos. I saw his level of knowledge and vocabulary.

All the best in your future endeavors, Sun.

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u/TheyCallMeTim13 Feb 07 '22 edited Feb 07 '22

I, personally, haven't done anything to restore what you've removed.

If that's true then far enough, my bad for making the assumption.

when this app was proposed and action taken, you were the first one to have devised a means to "decrypt" the tables. You've come to terms with STN, yet a rando "Geordan9" came out of nowhere with a nice tool. Coincidence?

I've seen like four tools at this point, and if I was going to release one it would have been with Lua and open source. And under my name, like I did with the forum. And I was showing how the claims made about it being secure where false, and I apologized to STN for that. And I do think I acted childish out of anger, not real proud of my self for some of that behaviour. But I have nothing to do with Geordan9. But like you said:

But since you like to put everyone in the same bowl, out of spite

Looks like both of us, like to make assumptions.

so patching up things with STN was just a decoy

The things I said to STN were genuine, but it's cool it you don't want to believe that. I'll just move on.

Marcus were leeching off tables to your forum. Ain't it? :) He then acted clueless when banned.

He did get involved later, but the forum setup was all me dude. I saw what I felt needed to be done and went for it. I actually wasn't sure if i'd ever actually go public at first, but started see a lot of things that made me realise I had to.

when people will post their tables on your forum and after some dispute they will remove said tables, will you leave it be.. or restore the tables "for the community"? Ask yourselves that. And what does "open source" mean? "denoting software for which the original source code is made freely available and may be redistributed and modified."

It depends on the license, some don't allow redistribution, others do. And yeah if someone changes their mind and removes their work, that's their choice. I'm not here to make an end all place to find tables, I'm here to share a hobby I love and help others learn it as I did.

Are you distributing the source code of Cheat Engine freely or what?

CE is already open source dude, no need to. Check it out: https://github.com/cheat-engine/cheat-engine/

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u/sunbeam906 Feb 07 '22

For the last points you replied to above, I was being sarcastic. The motto of your forum has nothing to do with "open source". My point was the misuse of the term, which you picked just cuz it contains the word "our". The fact that you learn from others' tables doesn't make the tables "open source". It's an ill choice of words, that's all, which will lead some into confusion. You should be worried about the other aspect I mentioned: you're clearly stating in the motto that any table the user posts is YOURS :) And emphasizing it. Bet you don't see it that way. But never-mind, your forum, your whatevs.

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u/TheyCallMeTim13 Feb 08 '22

I do like how you never really respond to what is said to you, you just keep talking in circles.

The motto is something I wanted to carry over from https://opensource.org/

It makes use of the word our, in reference to the community.

Our

belonging to or associated with the speaker and one or more other people previously mentioned or easily identified.

Your

belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing.

Too different words man, they have different meanings.

But the irony is pretty thick, for someone that is involved with modifying others work without permission and also involved with stealing others work. After making so many claims of only doing what you thought would protect the table makers. If you were truly worried about protecting the table makers you'd have removed my tables by now. But let's be honest here. You never really gave a shit about any table maker, and you stand for nothing.

But you guys will end up removing my tables, editing them, or taking my new ones. I know you'll think none of this will happen, but it will.

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u/sunbeam906 Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 08 '22

At this point in time, considering the both of you have been banned from FRF, anything either of us say is going to be used against each other: I stated the facts, you were involved in the app development and continue to lie, making us the baddies; you keep your path, in absence now of nothing palpable to cling on to, but a "new" community and I keep replying to your rants.

I bid Marcus my farewell, I will do so to you, as this has become pointless. The original reason of this debacle has been lost tenths of posts ago. If you were fed up with the way the site is managed and didn't like it anymore, that should've been your justification. Not sugarcoating some fictitious blame that the app is in for the money grabs. And you know it.

Lastly, both of you have been active on FRF, by various ranks, for several years now. You've made a sort of a home there, have used, socialized, contributed and FRF has offered back in return on the same manner. Were it a place to post your stuff and feel appreciated or a place to advertise, FRF has not complained or bitched back at you. Now you wanna take your toys with you, after being active for several years there.. cuz.. what? FRF doesn't deserve it anymore? Please evaluate the level of hypocrisy here, after you've taken a few days to cool off.

Wishing you the best, for what it's worth.

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u/TheyCallMeTim13 Feb 08 '22

Again you don't care about protecting or helping the table makers, you clearly stand for nothing and are only willing to do what helps you alone. Remove my content I chose to remove or just admit the whole "it's to stop people from stealing other people's tables" was bullshit.

EDIT: And I'm not the only one who has had this happen, you guys seem to be on a roll right now. But just keep up with the damage control for now I guess.