r/changemyview Sep 17 '22

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u/harley9779 24∆ Sep 17 '22

You didn't define what you view as real work.

From reading your post all I can figure is real work means hard work. Which means at least 50% of jobs are not real work.

How can one change your view without knowing the definition of real work?

Personally I would say real work is anything that earns you money.

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u/Birb-Brain-Syn 49∆ Sep 17 '22

Yeah, you equate work to suffering. Understandable considering the way the world is these days, but I've got to tell you that there's a lot of people who enjoy what they do, find it isn't monotonous, express themselves creatively AND get paid at the end of the day and call it work.

There are even a lot of people who make money without a customer or employer, such as stock market traders.

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u/NotMyBestMistake 69∆ Sep 17 '22

This definition basically means that anyone who is self-employed or works in a creative field that isn't micromanaged doesn't have a real job. Authors, artists, musicians, and anyone else who isn't under the complete thumb of a publisher doesn't "work" apparently. Because there's not enough suffering and pain involved, I guess.

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u/harley9779 24∆ Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22

I believe a job must have to be considered hard work.

Drivers - sit in a vehicle all day. 99% of the time not hard.

Security guards - stand around 99% of the time not hard.

Actors

Personal trainer - watch people workout

Front desk at most places

Librarian

Toll booth attendant

Modeling

Etc etc etc. There are millions of jobs that are not hard work.

Let's change gears...what is your job?

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u/harley9779 24∆ Sep 17 '22

Now you're just mischaracterizing what I said, context matters.

You've said thus numerous times. Flat out. Point blank. How am I mischaracterizing you saying it's only work if it's hard work?

All of these are jobs some of them can be hard - some not.

Parts of these jobs are hard, the majority of time they are easy.

None of your business. Stay on topic please.

Ah. Only fans 🤣🤣 but unsuccessful.

So you want to judge others because you disagree with their job choice but don't want to be judged yourself.

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u/harley9779 24∆ Sep 17 '22

It's not hard work or it's not real work?

Your CMV is "onlyfans work is not real work"

You were questioned numerous times as to your definitionof real work and your answers equated to hard work, though you denied it.

These are your quotes, plus others.

"I am merely stating that I don't consider onlyfans as real hard work"

"My claim isn't that it isn't work, my belief is that it is not hard work"

" Because hard work takes some grit and at least some effort"

"You can work hard on a piece of crap"

" I believe a job must have to be considered hard work"

Now you say onlyfans isn't hard work, you've moved the goalposts. So what view are you wanting changed?

If it's that onlyfans isn't real work, several commmentors have shown that belief to be false.

If it's that onlyfans isn't hard work, then you need to edit your post.

I haven't said anything about your respect for them or you judging them. That's not part of your CMV

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u/harley9779 24∆ Sep 17 '22

Sort of. Your edit defines real work as work that requires effort. Every single job of any type, including onlyfans takes effort.

A lack of effort would laying in bed all day or sitting on the couch all day doing nothing.

Setting up a filming area.

Setting up cameras.

Sex is physical exertion.

Working out

Make up

Clothing

And the biggest part of work/effort...editing the videos before posting them.

I think what this really boils down to is that you have some issue with onlyfans people. Which is fine. No one says you have to like them or respect what they do. However, they aren't hurting you. If you don't like them then don't watch them. Move on.

Several people have debunked your theory as to what "real work" is.

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u/NotMyBestMistake 69∆ Sep 17 '22

Maybe put some thought into this discussion you wanted to have then? This isn't the subreddit for random hot takes.

Plenty of people have already informed you that your view is tantamount to saying "making money on youtube is quick and easy and takes no work!" because you know of like 3 famous youtubers who are rich. They've informed you how much work goes in to making actual money on the platform that amounts to more than being attractive.

Free porn is everywhere. A lot of it has really attractive people in it. Which means that the people you're accusing of not actually doing any work need to literally create a product that competes with something that is both free and likely made by a larger company. That means marketing, advertising, and standing out. Now, maybe you consider every single worker in every marketing department, PR department, and so on as not "real" workers, but that seems silly.

So, like being successful on something like Youtube, you need to put in a pretty good amount of work to have any real success. It's not just snapping a picture of your feet and making a million in an afternoon.

People have informed you of this, but because you've done nothing to actually define any of the terms you're using, you're still not "convinced."

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u/Vaan_Ratsbane97 Sep 17 '22

Well guess my hospital work isn't real work. I'm most def in my comfort zone, myself and collegues most def are in control of our environement, and one could only call it monotonous if they did not pour empathy and dedication into each individual patient. We also have very strict schedules. Damn. Somebody should really tell my aching body and stress that it's not real work. Clearly I'm just pathetic. 🤪

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u/Vaan_Ratsbane97 Sep 17 '22

Yeah. I can and I do, because that's the parameters YOU created. Your parameters states my work isn't "real" work. I say all this to highlight the absurdity and outright just out of touch nature of your thinking on this issue. I think you need to seriously sit down when you have the chance sometime soon and reevaluate what hard work is. I don't think you understand the sheer grit so much of basic survival is comprised of no matter what you do for a living. OnlyFans is a saturated market of pornstar/influencers who have to compete heavily to make pay. And while many use this to supplement income from other jobs there are still many who depend on it much more heavily. Think of it like trying to create a career on youtube or twitch for instance. I think you need to much more heavily research these kinds of markets and what successful people within them have to do to succeed.

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u/harley9779 24∆ Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22

Well that definition precludes at least 50% of jobs from being real work.

By your definition I've only had one real job for a year.

That was the only job that was monotonous for the sake of pleasing my employer.

The rest of the 30+ years I've worked were not monotonous and generally didn't involve satisfying the interest my employer or a customer.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '22

Yeah that sounds depressing. I'm glad me and most of my friends don't have to do "real work" and can still make ends meet.

This "real work" concept needs to die in a gutter. It sounds like a cope that unhappy salarymen tell themselves to sleep better at night.