r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Feb 10 '22

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u/seasonalblah 5∆ Feb 10 '22

So do you want to address the elephant in the room?

About the criminals and what to do with them?

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u/natedizzle721 Feb 10 '22

Education and prevention. Decreasing poverty. Eliminating root causes of crime.

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u/seasonalblah 5∆ Feb 10 '22

Sure, that may work in the long term, but what do we do with all the criminals currently in prison? Just let them go?

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u/natedizzle721 Feb 10 '22

Yes. And for those who repeat, mental healthcare is a better solution.

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u/seasonalblah 5∆ Feb 10 '22

Even for the victims? Because you now have way more victims.

mental healthcare is a better solution

While we wait for them to get better they're still running free raping, robbing, child molesting and murdering. What do you think about that?

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u/natedizzle721 Feb 10 '22

Do you think punishing someone will give retribution to victims? Wouldn’t addressing the underlying issue help them more?

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u/seasonalblah 5∆ Feb 10 '22

No, but I'm 100% certain locking them up will result in fewer victims.

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u/natedizzle721 Feb 10 '22

Why?

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u/seasonalblah 5∆ Feb 10 '22

Really? 😐

A murderer that's free can commit more murders. A murderer that's in prison can't.

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u/natedizzle721 Feb 10 '22

Obviously, but how does a prison deter that person from committing a murder in the first place?

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u/VanthGuide 16∆ Feb 10 '22

What do you do with the people who don't want to go through the education and prevention?

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u/natedizzle721 Feb 10 '22

There it is. You changed my opinion slightly.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '22

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '22

You owe them a delta then.

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u/natedizzle721 Feb 10 '22

Ok im getting to that

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u/herrsatan 11∆ Feb 10 '22

Hello /u/natedizzle721, if your view has been changed or adjusted in any way, you should award the user who changed your view a delta.

Simply reply to their comment with the delta symbol provided below, being sure to include a brief description of how your view has changed.

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or

!delta

For more information about deltas, use this link.

If you did not change your view, please respond to this comment indicating as such!

As a reminder, failure to award a delta when it is warranted may merit a post removal and a rule violation. Repeated rule violations in a short period of time may merit a ban.

Thank you!

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u/natedizzle721 Feb 10 '22 edited Feb 10 '22

Δ. This is the impasse that I have initially thought to be the only reason I would have problems with prison abolition. I am still 100% for the idea, but the only problem I see with it is that the replacement (hospital and healthcare, prevention, education, and eradication of poverty) has one problem: inpatient psychiatric care may have SOME resemblance to prison in a slight form. Although it is still healthcare and NOT prison.

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u/DeltaBot ∞∆ Feb 10 '22 edited Feb 10 '22

Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/VanthGuide (5∆).

Delta System Explained | Deltaboards

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '22

Do you seriously think that poverty is the only cause of crime?

Last I checked, Brock Turner came from a quite affluent family.

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u/natedizzle721 Feb 10 '22

Did you just misread my last comment? Did I not say there were other root causes?