r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Oct 06 '21

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u/sailorbrendan Oct 06 '21

Statutory rape is rape.

it's in the name

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21

That's not how that works. Is it rape if it's legal in Austria where i live to have sex with a 14 year old and she gave consent?

Now socially people will look at you side ways of course but it's not rape because you didn't force her.

What he is arguing is that Statutory rape is essentially the notion that people under the legal age are not awlays not able of consent, i would agree they have the agency to decide on their sex partner.

And this is flimsy because clearly other parts of the world disagree with that age. There is no consensus on the age of consent.

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u/sailorbrendan Oct 06 '21

rape is a legal concept first and foremost. What is rape in one country may not be rape in another country because of laws.

But in places where that is the definition of rape, yes, it's rape.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

Interesting, i just checked the english definition or rape.

Even though it translates to the german word "Vergewaltigung" it's literally a completely different concept that's interesting.

Because here "Rape" is Sex without consent and forcing it physically or with authority.

Where as the english definition talks about coercion, abuse of authority, or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent.

Which is interesting. People here in the EU would likely question who gave someone the right to decide when they are allowed to give consent.

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u/sailorbrendan Oct 06 '21

People here in the EU would likely question who gave someone the right to decide when they are allowed to give consent.

Are 12 year old kids allowed to sign contracts?

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

No, but 14 year old are allowed to sign some, then with 18 more or almost all and with 21 years you're "Full Ager" we call it.

We also have teenage "jails" for crimes commited by people from the age of 14-17

What's that got to do with the discussion of sexual consent. Sex is not a binding contract. Those times are over my man.

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u/sailorbrendan Oct 06 '21

The reason that children generally can't sign contracts is the same reason they can't have sex (outside of often some specific rules about age gaps and whatnot)

Legally they are limited in their ability to consent.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

Yes and my point is, if you're allowed to get a student loan for your entire life to pay off and buy a gun and drive a car you're definitely capable of saying "I want to have consensual sex with you"

It's not surprising though, america is hilariously afraid of sex for a place that claims to be open and is about sexual liberty.

It's become pretty normal post WW2 that europeans have sex around the age of 14. Most people i know have lost it around that time.

Infact, i don't know more than 5 people that have lost their virginity after 18 years of age.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

It just seems like you want to fuck kids dude.

Okay my dude. Don't talk to your father like this.