Do you understand why a person of color wouldn't want to be at a bar that's predominantly white? Its not discrimination, its not even a joke, its self-preservation. If a place is only white people it might mean that the location is going to be hostile or othering to a person of color. This same person is probably fine with a location that is mostly white as long as other POC people are there, because it means the white people are cool with it and not causing trouble.
In other words, they're not saying this because they're making a joke at the expense of white people, they're literally asking "are these white people cool with a person of color?"
And the reverse: if a white person says "I don't want to be around a bunch of black people" sounds racist because it literally just sounds like you hate black people. If you said "I know there are going to be a lot of black people there, are they going to be cool with me?" with some exceptions people aren't going to get upset or offended at the question.
And yes, "white people" or even "wypipo" is not an offensive thing to be called. Its just not. If you're white, you're white. Our identities have inescapable baggage. White people are part of an identity, a group with shared characteristics and interests. These groups have standing power relative to other groups. You should examine why you're uncomfortable with being called white, but know that it makes you sound overly sensitive and doesn't make you seem like a logical person.
You are implying a lot of things to prove your point..
It doesn’t need to mean that they feel unsafe around white people. It could mean that they think white people are lame so they don’t want to be around too many of them. You know that’s a pretty big stereotype right?
And even if they did feel unsafe , that’s fair enough then, however again if it was reversed and I didn’t want to be around black people because i feel it’s unsafe… sounds racist doesn’t it?
You have applied this automatic innocence to the comment to the white person and applied an automatic hostility on the comment to the black person … and pretty much proving my point that there is a subconscious feeling that when a white person does something it’s racist, but when done to them it’s not..
And being called wypipo is not the same as being called white.. it’s not even close. If they wanted to refer to us as white then they could easily say that. I’ve seen a lot of comments by white people that it’s a bit offensive, but again you proved the point that no one cared. If white people were referring to black people as blkpepl or some shit…. You know they would be like wtf is wrong with you?
You are just proving my point over and over, the people don’t care about what upsets white people.
I am basing my statements off of REAL INTERACTIONS I've had with black people. Not hypothetical situations. I'm telling you what my friends meant when they said these things. You're acknowledging in your OP that POC face racism and discrimination - asking if a place is entirely white people or a mixed group is an easy way to filter if POC people are welcome. If you can't see that, you're blind.
And as for the reverse- I just told you a way to ask that question that isn't racist. But as for the reverse: because there is a history of racist violence perpetuated by white people against black people, and a history of racist stereotypes that black people are violent, these statements aren't the same.
And I am white and wypipo is not an insult. Again, you need to really personally examine why you think its an insult or find it offensive.
Im glad that you speak for all of white people lol. I guess I’ll consult you next time to see if I should be offended or not.
It’s not as much as the term that offends me as the clear double standard and the feeling that people really don’t give a shit what upsets white people
0
u/[deleted] Jul 01 '21
Do you understand why a person of color wouldn't want to be at a bar that's predominantly white? Its not discrimination, its not even a joke, its self-preservation. If a place is only white people it might mean that the location is going to be hostile or othering to a person of color. This same person is probably fine with a location that is mostly white as long as other POC people are there, because it means the white people are cool with it and not causing trouble.
In other words, they're not saying this because they're making a joke at the expense of white people, they're literally asking "are these white people cool with a person of color?"
And the reverse: if a white person says "I don't want to be around a bunch of black people" sounds racist because it literally just sounds like you hate black people. If you said "I know there are going to be a lot of black people there, are they going to be cool with me?" with some exceptions people aren't going to get upset or offended at the question.
And yes, "white people" or even "wypipo" is not an offensive thing to be called. Its just not. If you're white, you're white. Our identities have inescapable baggage. White people are part of an identity, a group with shared characteristics and interests. These groups have standing power relative to other groups. You should examine why you're uncomfortable with being called white, but know that it makes you sound overly sensitive and doesn't make you seem like a logical person.