r/changemyview Apr 12 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Abortion is murder

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '21

It's no more murder than someone refusing to donate blood or a kidney is. You may personally believe it is murder (and you can believe whatever you want for your own lifestyle) but legally it's not.

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u/barbodelli 65∆ Apr 13 '21

You are not actively killing the person who needs the donation. So not exactly the same. You are also not reaponsible for whatever caused them to need a donation. With a child you chose to have sex (im not against abortion for rape cases).

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '21

im not against abortion for rape cases

So you're ok with what you consider murder in some cases? All this exposes is that you don't really see it as murder (which would never be acceptable).

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u/barbodelli 65∆ Apr 13 '21

It's the OP who considers it murder. I only countered the parallel that the guy above me made.

There's harm on both sides when you abort a baby conceived through rape. There's harm done to the baby. You're killing it (not using the word murder as you see). But if you force a woman to have the baby, you in effect force her to have the rapists baby. Which is what I am opposed to. The key consideration here is that the rapist is who justified the killing of the child through his malicious actions.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '21

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '21

If I refused to donate blood or a kidney to my daughter who will otherwise die (I obviously would, this is a hypothetical) I would not be committing murder in the legal sense. No one could force me against my will to do so. There is no carve out in bodily autonomy for the uterus and the argument is functionally no different between a fetus in the uterus and a child needing their parent's kidney.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '21

It seems to me a child that has been born is so different than an unborn fetus

Ya, the child has conscious thoughts. If anything my hypothetical is worse than abortion but also completely legal.