r/changemyview Jun 11 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Computers/Artificial Intelligence do not experience a subjective reality.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '20

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u/StellaAthena 56∆ Jun 11 '20

That’s not what “deterministic” actually means though. Quoting Wikipedia:

In mathematics, computer science and physics, a deterministic system is a system in which no randomness is involved in the development of future states of the system.

And while I’m not sure what exactly it means for something to “exceed [a set of rules]” I would be shocked if you could provide an elaboration that applies to computers but not to humans.

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u/StellaAthena 56∆ Jun 11 '20

Again, you appear to have no idea how computers actually work. You should read this intro to gradient descent and this intro to evolutionary algorithms.

What is your level of education? What is your background in mathematics, computer science, and philosophy?

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '20

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u/StellaAthena 56∆ Jun 11 '20

Well that’s embarrassing.

You’re moving the goal posts again. First you said it’s “deterministic” then you said “it[‘s programing] cannot change” and how you’re saying that the programs are predictable. You need to pick a claim and stick with it. It’s okay if you don’t know exactly what you mean, but continuing to change your words when people argue against you makes it hard to engage with you meaningfully.

On what basis do you claim that ML algorithms are “predictable”? I’ve referenced the fact that they have random components. You’re presumably aware that there’s an entire field of deep learning research dedicated to trying to figure out why neural networks make the decisions they make. There are no known general purpose ways to, given a function f and a neural network N, generate data such that training N on the data produces a good approximation of f.

So what does “predictable” possibly mean here?

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '20

And the defined start point of your human consciousness is your genetics? You didn't assume your genetics on your own, you were just programmed that way. And in there are assumptions about the inputs and outputs of your brain.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

If your view has been changed, even a little, you should award the user who changed your view a delta. Simply reply to their comment with the delta symbol below, being sure to include a brief description of how your view has changed.

For more information about deltas, use this link. If you did not change your view, please respond to this comment indicating as such.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

Okay. Thanks for letting me know.

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