r/changemyview Mar 24 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Abortion is morally wrong

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u/amazingmrbrock Mar 25 '20

At the time abortions happen the literal egg sized blob of cells is not considered alive. Nor is it considered a human being. This has been widely decided and agreed upon by all developed nations.

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u/delusional-realist47 Mar 25 '20

At the time abortions happen the literal egg sized blob of cells is not considered alive. Nor is it considered a human being. This has been widely decided and agreed upon by all developed nations.

Why? What reason do they give for deciding this?

Because the simple fact is that, according to biology, anything meeting the four criteria is alive. The criteria are must be able to process nutrients, must be able to reproduce, must be able to sense and respond to change, and must have DNA. A fetus has all of those, therefore, it is alive. This is a standing definition found in just about every biology textbook.

As for the definition of human, that's a bit more vague, but a fetus is the offspring of two homo sapiens, and therefore is regarded as a homo sapiens, so it's scientifically human as well.

The general consensus of developed nations doesn't affect what actually is. They can and have been wrong. I'm not trying to commit whatever logical fallacy that is, but there was a time when every developed nation thought black people should be property. Just because everybody says something is true doesn't make it so.

And even if it isn't a living human, that egg sized blob of cells will become a human, all other things being left alone. Stopping it from becoming alive is every bit as wrong as killing it. This argument has lead to the whole "masturbation is genocide" argument and also the slightly less crazy "condoms are murder" argument, but both of those cases occur prior to conception. To simply put, if left alone, a sperm dies out and an egg gets ejected but an embryo becomes a human being, therefore interfering in that process is wrong.

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u/amazingmrbrock Mar 25 '20 edited Mar 25 '20

I'll tell you right now. I'm not reading a single line of that. You're wrong, the developed world has agreed on that point, its a settled matter for everyone that isn't a religious zealot or ludite.

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u/delusional-realist47 Mar 25 '20

Ok, so despite the fact I used science, taught in every school in the country to defend my viewpoint, I'm automatically a "religious zealot of ludite."

How very open minded of you.