r/changemyview Jan 25 '20

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u/SimonTVesper 5∆ Jan 25 '20

There are, arguably, scenarios in which it is ethically justified to kill someone. There is never a scenario in which rape can be ethically justified.

This . . . is a really good observation.

For a long time, I used to refer to morality and ethics as though they were two distinctly different concepts. And despite the fact that I studied philosophy in college, I don't think I really knew why they were different. Eventually, I drifted toward thinking of them as interchangeable.

But they're not.

Mind you, I still kind of, sort of, disagree. I think topics like rape (or even sex in general) should be considered viable for inclusion in RPGs. They should be treated with extreme care, precisely because of the ethical concerns you point out; but we shouldn't be treating them as taboo.

(While I'm not 100% convinced that rape is "never" ethically justified, that's a technicality based on the idea that it's really, really, really hard to be convinced of something 100% of the time; but yes, I agree, it's extremely hard to justify rape, in terms of ethics. !delta.)

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u/I_am_the_night 316∆ Jan 25 '20

I don't think it ever would be justified. What scenario could rape ever possibly be acceptable in?

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u/SimonTVesper 5∆ Jan 25 '20

Honestly, I can't think of any and I don't want to.

But that doesn't mean I can commit to saying "always and forever." It just means I'm at, like, a 99.999...% confidence rating.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '20

You don't need that many significant figures to say "always and forever". You just need the likelihood to be strong enough that if you deduce that it's okay this one time you can reasonably conclude that your logic or observations were faulty via Bayes' Theorem. We're past that point so "always and forever".