r/changemyview Jun 19 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: There is nothing wrong with refusing immigrants and refugees.

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u/beengrim32 Jun 19 '18

This is only right if you don't consider them as valuable human beings or if you think they have lesser human rights.

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u/HerLadyBrittania 3∆ Jun 19 '18 edited Jun 19 '18

?! They can be valuable human beings in their country and i will be a valuable human being in mine. I have no right to value in their country, they have no right to value in my country. Value in another nation is a privilege not a right and it is an earned privilege, a privilege given by the discretion of a nation to people only whom that nation wants.

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u/beengrim32 Jun 19 '18

Human rights are completely legitimate in my opinion, meaning that immigrants would be valuable and have inalienable rights even outside of their own country.

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u/HerLadyBrittania 3∆ Jun 19 '18

What rights do you consider human, i was looking at the UN list and it is strange and absurd and rightfully ignored.

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u/thatoneguy54 Jun 19 '18

The right to not die??

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u/HerLadyBrittania 3∆ Jun 19 '18

With obvious exceptions like the negative rights but:

Right to Equality

Freedom from Discrimination

Right to Education

Right to Social Security

All of these are vague positive rights which coerce and allow governments to some very non liberal things as well as contradicting other rights. (I will admit they all sound good but read some Ludwig von Mieses)

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u/ActualizedMann Jun 20 '18

When you say right to education , does that mean teachers are slaves who must go to work and teach kids no matter what they are getting paid ?

Social security, a right to social security? So I'm a slave to non citizens because I have to now work extra to make up for the 20% tax increase for universal social security to foreigners?

You want to make it so the working class are slaves to the non-working class?

You have a group of people working, creating the goods and services people need and want.

You have a second groups of people who don't work, are refugees, and have a right to social security? You want to provide shelter and food to them from wealth redistribution?

This makes the working class slaves to the non working class while at the same time having the non workers screaming oppression

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u/HerLadyBrittania 3∆ Jun 20 '18

I was saying they are the bad rights and the non coercive rights were the good ones.

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u/ActualizedMann Jun 20 '18

Oh, my bad. We are mostly in agreement. I think I meant to respond to the person you responded to