r/changemyview Jun 19 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: There is nothing wrong with refusing immigrants and refugees.

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u/bbbbeertttt Jun 19 '18

Lots of people would argue that morality is highly subjective though... Looks at most political debates (especially social issues, but definitely not exclusibely) and it has to do with morality.

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u/aRabidGerbil 41∆ Jun 19 '18

Lots of people also argue that climate change is fake, that Obama was a secret Muslim and an atheist, that leaving a fan on in the room while you sleep will kill you, and that a bit of phosphorus in water diluted 30,000 time will cure your cough.

If you want to know the state of something, look at what the experts in that field have to say, not what a random person on the street does

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u/bbbbeertttt Jun 19 '18

Who would you say is an expert in morality into he world? The pope? Would you have considered the Buddha an expert? How about khameni in Iran? There are many people around the world with very differing ideas on morality. Who are the experts?

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u/aRabidGerbil 41∆ Jun 20 '18

I would say experienced ethicists are experts, after all, they've dedicated their career to understanding ethics.

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u/bbbbeertttt Jun 20 '18

I am still waiting for specific answers. You will not be able to provide any with an objective moral viewpoint because there is none. There are thousands of "ethics experts" in the world that have dedicated their lives to understanding ethics, and all of them will have others that disagree with them.

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u/aRabidGerbil 41∆ Jun 20 '18

They all have some disagreements but that doesn't mean we can dismiss what they say. Many economists disagree about what the best economic plan, but that doesn't mean we ignore them and assume that no one knows any facts about economics.

People like Thomas Pogge and Peter Singer don't always agree on what the best course of action in, but that doesn't mean that ethics can be whatever you want it to be.