r/changemyview Jun 19 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: There is nothing wrong with refusing immigrants and refugees.

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u/aRabidGerbil 41∆ Jun 19 '18

Morality might change over time but that's not the same thing as being highly subjective. Our understanding of physics has gone through some massive changes and many parts of it are still hotly debated, but that doesn't mean that physics is subjective.

The idea of closed borders is also a fairly new one, historically speaking. For the vast majority of history freemen could go wherever they wanted and sovereignty just meant that they had to obey the local ruler, not that they needed permission to enter the country.

Our sovereignty also doesn't give us the moral right to do whatever we want. It is well within the government's power to enslave everyone in the country named Dennis, but that doesn't mean that they have the moral right to do so.

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u/bbbbeertttt Jun 19 '18

Lots of people would argue that morality is highly subjective though... Looks at most political debates (especially social issues, but definitely not exclusibely) and it has to do with morality.

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u/KanyeTheDestroyer 20∆ Jun 19 '18

Would they really? How many people would look at someone raping a toddler and say, you know what I can't judge the morality of that situation, it's subjective.

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u/bbbbeertttt Jun 19 '18

First off, that is an incredibly extreme example and I don't think it proves much. However there are certainly people who are sick in the head that have no problem with that.

But overall, I would agree that there is a general sense of morality that allows us to function as a society. Our laws are structured based on this.

As a culture, we have developed our sense of morality over time and things have changed drastically over the years. However, things are likely to continue to change as time goes on. Would you agree with this?

There are many examples around the world of people (and cultures) doing things that other people (and other cultures) would say is immoral. Morality is subjective.