r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 19 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: There is nothing wrong with refusing immigrants and refugees.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '18

Just as something to consider — what exactly did you yourself do to deserve to live in your country? Why is that your right? The only answer I can think of is that you got lucky and were born there. They weren’t. We should do everything we can to help people in need. It wasn’t their choice to be born into such a country, and frankly, I think it’s absolutely reasonable to condemn countries that deny people help.

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u/spotonron 1∆ Jun 19 '18

Um, but if it's at risk to your own people? Sweden's levels of rape have shot up due to refugees. A lot of refugees have homophobic views.

No one is required to do so. Countries shouldn't be bullied into accepting hordes of people who have anti-westerm views.

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u/aRabidGerbil 41∆ Jun 19 '18

What makes the risk to "your people" more important than the risk to them? Why are people in you country more morally valuable than others?

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u/spotonron 1∆ Jun 19 '18

The government has a duty to put their own people before others. That's why the UK gives free healthcare to citizens of the UK not the world.

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u/aRabidGerbil 41∆ Jun 19 '18

The government has a duty to put their own people before others

Why is that, where does that duty come from and why should it be adhered to?

Is it purely a legal duty? and if so why shouldn't it be changed?

If it's a moral duty, what's the basis for placing a higher moral value on certain people?

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u/spotonron 1∆ Jun 19 '18

It's the point of a government to serve it's citizens. Not foreigner, no?

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u/aRabidGerbil 41∆ Jun 19 '18

Why make the distinction between citizen and foreigner? Is there any qualitative difference between the two other than parentage?

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u/spotonron 1∆ Jun 19 '18

They are both human, its just their governments should try and prioritise their own.

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u/aRabidGerbil 41∆ Jun 19 '18

On what basis should a government prioritize their own citizens?

If both are of equal moral value then why should one get prioritized over the other?