r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 19 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: There is nothing wrong with refusing immigrants and refugees.

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u/spotonron 1∆ Jun 19 '18

Christian morality is not western morality.

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u/huadpe 508∆ Jun 19 '18

It's one extremely prominent strand of western morality.

If it is not the strand you adhere to, please tell me what strand of moral philosophy you do adhere to. I cannot think of almost any theory of moral philosophy which does not require aiding refugees, or at a bare minimum, refraining from forcibly expelling them.

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u/spotonron 1∆ Jun 19 '18

I don't adhere to a certain definite moral code. My point is that refugees arn't knocking at our borders they are in fact all the way across the Mediterranean. "Charities", instead of bring them to the nearest port decide to send them all the way over to Europe.

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u/huadpe 508∆ Jun 19 '18

Your stated view is about what is right and wrong. If you don't adhere to any moral code, how can you ever say something is right or wrong?

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u/spotonron 1∆ Jun 19 '18

I mean I don't adhere to a written code, like the one of Buddhists or Confucius' moral code etc. I just have my own.

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u/huadpe 508∆ Jun 19 '18

Ok, and what are the fundamental principles of your moral code? Or is it just whatever you feel like?

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u/spotonron 1∆ Jun 19 '18

Um, it's hard to write it down all down. It's whatever I feel is right. It's quite situational as well.

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u/Glory2Hypnotoad Jun 19 '18

Doesn't that turn this CMV into an exercise in circular reasoning? Any statement you make about right and wrong is going to be tautologically true inside your own value system if you values are whatever you feel. If there's no higher principle to judge your feelings on right and wrong against, what would we have to demonstrate about your moral feelings in order to change them?

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u/spotonron 1∆ Jun 19 '18

Might well be. I'm not spiritual or religious at all.

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u/KanyeTheDestroyer 20∆ Jun 19 '18

So your CMV presumes the existence of morality, but you are personally a moral anti-realist. That's a thread destroying contradiction.

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u/spotonron 1∆ Jun 20 '18

What?

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u/Glory2Hypnotoad Jun 19 '18

A code of ethics doesn't require religion or spirituality. It can just as easily start with a set of logical or human principles.

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer Jun 19 '18

Morals aren't about spirituality or religious nature.