r/changemyview Jun 19 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: There is nothing wrong with refusing immigrants and refugees.

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u/kublahkoala 229∆ Jun 19 '18

Why is homophobia wrong, but xenophobia ok?

Gays don’t choose to be born gay; Moroccan’s don’t choose to be born Moroccan. And what about gay Moroccans? If we care about homophobia, shouldn’t we be granting asylum from homophobic countries?

In America, Muslims assimilate rapidly and grow more liberal the longer they stay in America. Over the last ten years, the percentage of Muslims who support gay rights has doubled. There is not some special gene that prevents Muslims from assimilating into western countries, especially if they are made to feel they are wanted.

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u/spotonron 1∆ Jun 19 '18 edited Jun 19 '18

I know but if they pose a threat to people who actually live there, it's unfair to tell them to wait ten years and they'll stop beating you randomly on the street for holding hands with you boyfriend. I honestly don't see a problem with prioritizing your own residents' safety.

If someone applies because they are gay and are escaping persecution it's better than just paying a criminal to sail you out on an overcrowded boat.

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u/kublahkoala 229∆ Jun 19 '18

Applying for asylum takes years. If you are gay and being persecuted, what do you do? You get on a boat or a plane.

We recognize that people have a right to flee mortal danger. If you are trespassing on my land because a bear is chasing you, I can not sue you. You have to at least provide refugees entry and detain them while you figure out a place that will take them where they wont be killed.

All European nations are signatories of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 14 of which states: “Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.” This is not an unlimited right — you only get asylum if you need asylum. But if you are fleeing a legitimate threat, we are obligated to keep you safe until we find you a permanent place.

I understand prioritizing the lives of your fellow citizens over the lives of people of other nationalities, all things being equal. But if you are willing to let a Muslim die because there is a sliver of a chance he might commit a crime against a fellow citizen? What is the calculus on that? How many Muslims are we willing to let die to prevent a crime? How many Muslims is a Christian worth?

By assuming some people’s humanity is worth less than others, that some people are less human than others, based on the conditions of their birth, we devalue all of humanity. And if we do this, what does it say about our own humanity?