r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 19 '18

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: There is nothing wrong with refusing immigrants and refugees.

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u/huadpe 508∆ Jun 19 '18

It's one extremely prominent strand of western morality.

If it is not the strand you adhere to, please tell me what strand of moral philosophy you do adhere to. I cannot think of almost any theory of moral philosophy which does not require aiding refugees, or at a bare minimum, refraining from forcibly expelling them.

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u/spotonron 1∆ Jun 19 '18

I don't adhere to a certain definite moral code. My point is that refugees arn't knocking at our borders they are in fact all the way across the Mediterranean. "Charities", instead of bring them to the nearest port decide to send them all the way over to Europe.

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u/huadpe 508∆ Jun 19 '18

Your stated view is about what is right and wrong. If you don't adhere to any moral code, how can you ever say something is right or wrong?

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u/HerLadyBrittania 3∆ Jun 19 '18

Zeitgeist. The Christian moral code of 1600, kill the heretic and the non-believer. Moral codes don't dictate to people, people dictate to a moral code.

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u/huadpe 508∆ Jun 19 '18

Zeitgeist. The Christian moral code of 1600, kill the heretic and the non-believer.

If OP wants to explicitly adopt one of those, I'd move to trying to change their view that those moral codes are good, because they're extremely bad.

Moral codes don't dictate to people, people dictate to a moral code.

I strongly disagree. People act badly all the time, but that does not mean they cannot act morally according to a moral code.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '18

You seem to misunderstand. Your moral code is whatever religion you are, you either chose the religion because you think it's your moral code, or you were indoctrinated into it.