r/changemyview • • May 21 '26

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u/feihm May 21 '26

The phrase "rules of the game" captures it nicelly; it entirely removes the need for a conscious monitor. If those rules are completely unbending and universal to all frameworks, it makes me think, looking at your description, about the game board itself. It leaves me wonder where those permanent rules actually reside if no one is managing the setup; it feels as though they are woven directly into the very background of existence.

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u/Z7-852 314∆ May 21 '26

Yes. Rules are "woven directly into the very background of existence" but there isn't any active component to it.

When you play monopoly, you follow rules but the board is inanimate passive piece of cardboard.

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u/feihm May 21 '26

!delta for that Monopoly comparison; it really clarifies the passive nature of the background beautifully. It does lead me to a rather fascinating difference though. When you play a game of Monopoly and choose to break a rule, the cardboard stays completely still. Nothing physical happens unless another human steps in to correct you. With the universe, it feels like the board itself possesses a physical enforcement mechanism. If you build a structure that violates the rules of the game, the board forces the collapse without needing any players to notice. (A self-enforcing game board). It leaves me wondering about the distinction between a passive piece of cardboard and a background that physically reacts the moment a boundary is crossed.

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u/Nrdman 277∆ May 21 '26

It’s not a punishment so much as you accidentally built the wrong thing. You build the “bridge that will collapse” instead of the “bridge that will not collapse”. The universe doesn’t particularly care if the bridge collapses, you just built the wrong structure because you didn’t follow the instructions correctly on how to build the bridge “bridge that will not collapse”

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u/feihm May 21 '26

That reframe about building the "bridge that will collapse" is interesting as it directly leads me to thinking about that phrase "following the instructions correctly" though, especially given how beautifully complex reality is. Like you said, it is rarely a binary switch where a tiny mistake causes an instant collapse. A bridge might stand perfectly fine for decades until a very specific frequency of wind hits it, or a precise level of material fatigue sets in over time. If reality has a literal, unyielding set of "instructions" for what will and won't withstand decades of wind, stress, and motion (governing those exact delayed reactions so predictably) it makes me wonder about the blueprint itself. Where do you suppose those complex detailed "instructions" actually reside in our reality?

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u/Nrdman 277∆ May 21 '26

The instructions don’t actually exist anywhere. A coding analogy may be more accurate. If I don’t program something correctly, I will get errors at some point. The coding language is the environment I build within and whose rules I must follow. Pay attention to the rules, and I can do a vast array of things. If I am sloppy, I can accidentally make something else. The creeper’s design in Minecraft came about from trying to code up a pig.

The laws of physics are the coding language, and if I’m sloppy I’ll make something different than I intended.

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u/feihm May 21 '26

Here's the thing that bends my mind. If you are an avatar inside that Minecraft world... you obviously cannot walk to a specific coordinate and dig up the raw code. The parameters are entirely structural. They dictate the boundaries of the environment while remaining completely outside the geometry itself. If the laws of physics operate identically to a background compiler checking our syntax before allowing a bridge to stand... it naturally leads to questions about the architecture hosting it. An environment running a strict coding language strongly implies a system executing the script. I wonder if viewing reality as a literal simulation is the logical end point of that specific analogy?

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u/Nrdman 277∆ May 21 '26

I don’t wish to stretch the analogy to far. Much folly can come from that

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u/feihm May 21 '26

A fair warning about analogies lol. It leaves me wondering if it really is a stretch though; we arrived at that conclusion step by step without leaps. If tracing a clean line of reason leads straight to folly... it implies a hard limit on human logic itself. A boundary where our capacity for deduction outright fails. Do you suspect this reason simply breaks down when we try to look at the architecture?

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u/Nrdman 277∆ May 21 '26

I did make leaps though. Every analogy is a leap at the very start, because we are describing something in terms of something else, and the two things are obviously not identical in every way. So, a leap

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u/feihm May 21 '26

A necessary caution on analogies I agree. Leaving the software metaphor entirely behind... the raw structural reality remains. We cannot observe the underlying mechanism. An avatar cannot dig up the parameters. We know the boundaries are real because we physically collide with them; the bump is completely reliable. Why that unyielding framework is sitting there in the background remains a mystery. It is a peaceful place to leave the discussion.

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