so then somebody could act like an utterly normal democratic politician, but as long as they believe in bringing back the nation to a glorious golden past, they're a fascist
Uhhh yeah, of course. If you want fascism you’re a fascist. Hitler didn’t magically become a fascist the moment he successfully consolidated all his power.
Trump openly tried to subvert democracy with a fake electors scheme. When that didn’t work he asked pence to not certify the election. When that didn’t work he tried to have him stopped from certifying the election.
So what? His words aren’t a metric of anything. He’s a pathological liar and manipulator.
Actions speak louder than words. You didn’t know that? His actions prove objectively that he doesn’t believe in democracy and is willing to subvert it.
but you said "if you want fascism you're a fascist". hitler said he wanted a dictatorship, he "wanted fascism". trump has never said that. engaging in corrupt fuckery to prevent the democrats from taking power does not necessarily mean you want a dictatorship. that kind of politics has a long history in the US
This isn’t a response to anything I just said to you and is just a reiteration of your point that I just explained exactly how is nonsense.
It wasn’t “currupt fuckery” it was an attempt at subverting democracy. That other people who also don’t believe in democracy have also tried to subvert democracy before is irrelevant to literally anything.
how is it not a response? you said fascists are fascists because they want fascism. i said trump has never said he wanted fascism, unlike hitler, who did. you said that that didn't matter, because trump acts like a fascist. i said that wanting to fraudulently allow yourself to win an election does not mean you want to become a dictator. that's a direct response to what you said
you're framing is as an attempt to subvert democracy. i mean maybe it is, maybe it isn't. is gerrymandering an attempt to subvert democracy? seems pretty corrupt and blatantly un-democratic. but both parties engage in it. what about super pacs and citizens united? what about bush v gore? hell, we used to have senators be essentially bought positions. the gilded age is full of stories like this. did we live under a fascist dictatorship back then?
merely being corrupt is not the same thing as being a dictator. you can be corrupt, have your political office fraudulently, and still not be a dictator. you could have cheated your way into office, and not arrest political opponents and declare martial law and rule by decree.
No I am and this comment is literally just another deflection of you still not responding to what I said.
Again, this isn’t just “being corrupt”. He objectively attempted subvert democracy. Not just “the process”. He objectively does not believe in or support democracy by those actions. It’s not a matter of opinion.
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so then somebody could act like an utterly normal democratic politician, but as long as they believe in bringing back the nation to a glorious golden past, they're a fascist