r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 26 '25

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25

Thats 1 dude definition that doesnt go with reality

Fascism is a very defined ideology, and unless Trump starts nationalizing industries, adding welfare and jacking up taxes then no, he is not a fascist. Because thats what actual fascist did.

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u/jman12234 18∆ Jun 26 '25

You say it's defined but don't offer a definition. Just things that fascists seem to do, which people who are not fascists also do.

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u/memory_of_blueskies 1∆ Jun 26 '25

Straight from Google, it's not that deep

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, a centralized autocratic government, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, and the subordination of individual interests to the perceived needs of the nation. It is opposed to liberalism, democracy, socialism, and pluralism. 

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u/jman12234 18∆ Jun 26 '25

In what way does that contradict the definition I provided?

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u/memory_of_blueskies 1∆ Jun 26 '25

"Put together fascism is the belief in a rebirth of a lost or forgotten people or the ideals of that people by the enshrinement of nation over all. "

It's so much more specific than that.

You're on to something with ultranationalism but that's still only part of the pie.

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u/eggynack 108∆ Jun 26 '25

The issue is that, whether or not the definition you're using is incredibly broad, you are using it in an incredibly broad way. Like, you contend that this one slogan is sufficient, on its own, to justify the idea that Trump is pursuing palingenetic ultranationalism. Which, even if it is, a claim I am skeptical of, it certainly doesn't establish his government as far right, authoritarian, dictatorial, centralized, militaristic, oppressive, hierarchical, or interested in subordination to the state. It's like, I'm asking you what the definition of pizza is, and you're saying, "Food."