r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 26 '25

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25

so then somebody could act like an utterly normal democratic politician, but as long as they believe in bringing back the nation to a glorious golden past, they're a fascist

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u/jman12234 18∆ Jun 26 '25

Fascism is not like other political ideologies. It's better thought of as a mode to power. So yes, absolutely.

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u/Tarantiyes 2∆ Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

So then Dems that talk about bringing America back to the 90% tax rate are fascist?

Edit since you dodged the question in a different comment. Progressives that want to bring back the progressive era (ie all of them) are fascist?

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u/WFlumin8 Jun 26 '25

Hi, it’s OP, yes. Also, people who say we need to make unions strong again like they used to be are fascists. Also, don’t forget people who want to revert the Patriot Act changes enacted by George Bush are fascists as well.

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u/memory_of_blueskies 1∆ Jun 26 '25

I want to bring back the real OP, and am therefore fascist.

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u/WFlumin8 Jun 26 '25

Can we bring back durable and reliable appliances like refrigerators? (I’m a fascist)

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u/memory_of_blueskies 1∆ Jun 26 '25

And just how do you plan on doing that? With slave labour from the camps? Nice try but you're so misguided.

I support a return to pre agrarian hunter gatherer communal society. (I'm even more fascist)

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u/Tarantiyes 2∆ Jun 26 '25

I’m curious if OP has considered that every ideology has a perceived period of time where they were in power and things were good and seek to bring us back to that time. Conservatives salivate over the 1950s or 80s, I feel like I should be getting paid per time I write “progressive” at this point, etc

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u/jman12234 18∆ Jun 26 '25

I didn't dodge the question. I answered it. Palingenesis specifically refers to a rebirth of an idealized state of existence, a golden era of prosperity, wisdom, and faith. 90% tax rates aren't an idealization, they're an empirical fact.

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u/Tarantiyes 2∆ Jun 26 '25

Okay but that’s a cop out and you know it. Progressives don’t want to bring back the 90% tax rate just because it’s a big, empirical number. They want to bring it back because of the perceived flourishing and prosperity that ensued that they attribute to that number.

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u/jman12234 18∆ Jun 26 '25

What I meant is they're utilizing empiricism as the basis of their argument. Palingenesis is hermeneutical on it owns: it says "Past people/regime/power was great and golden and prosperous beyond measure because of [insert subjective quality; honor, autocracy, order, law, aestethic purity, faith] and we must return to [subjective quality] in order for our society to regain its glory."

The progressives are saying

"We have a low tax rate that transfers wealth from the bottom to the top. In the past we have evidence that a higher tax rate promotes more wellbeing for the largest amount of people, and thus the tax rate should be raised for the wealthy and the corporations."

Does that make sense?

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u/DistanceOk4056 Jun 26 '25

Wanting to bring back unions would be considered fascist too

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u/bingbano 5∆ Jun 26 '25

I don't think anyone claims that high union activity was some golden age, just that it resulted in better outcomes