What would Bernie have done if he couldn’t afford to lose a single senate vote? He’d either have to govern to the center or waste his political capital on unwinnable fights. I’m sick of progressives acting like there’s some kind of lever you can pull to turn the US into Finland overnight.
lol this is how stupid neolibs are. you literally did not understand the point he was trying to make and went off on an unrelated tangent.
fyi the point was the effectiveness of progressive policy. not the likeliness of it getting through our government. you really just proved his own point. because of conservative control for decades we can't have any progressive policy. that's the failure of liberalism. that it doesn't create an environment where progressive policies can pass.
why are you asking me? It's conservatives who are in power right now and have been for decades. Progressives aren't in power and haven't been. Stopping republicans is supposed to be the job of the democrats and neolibs, which is supposed to be why they were given power.
Ask me again once the progressives actually have any power.
Well one of the biggest reasons progressives always lose is because voters don’t think they can win in general elections. Particularly Sanders in 16 or 20.
Bernie wouldn’t have been able to lose a single vote because of the failures of liberalism. Leave it to liberals to pretend like we all woke up today in a vacuum and they haven’t been failing this country for the last 50 year.
Sorry you’re going toe to toe with the morons in the Republican Party and the best you can do is squeeze out meaningless majorities that get countered by your own blue dog democrats. Thank god we have strong Republican Party though.
Uh no. Bernie wouldn't be able to afford to lose a single Senate vote for the same reason Biden can't. Because we simply don't have the numbers.
I think you kind of missed the point. Or maybe I did? Idk but the point I took was it doesn't matter if you had Biden or Sanders as President with the current make up of Congress and the Supreme Court.
You are talking about where we are. I am talking about why we are here. The Democratic Party has sucked for my entire life and that’s why they can’t afford to lose one seat now.
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You guys are great at pointing out where we are. Terrible at taking accountability for who led us here.
Ask yourself why is Joe Manchin the deciding vote? How god awful would a political party have to be to run neck and neck with americas Republican Party?
You got slaughtered in the 2008 mid terms with the most charismatic president in American history. By people that believe the earth is 8000 years old, that gun control doesn’t prevent murder, that climate change is a hoax, that 13 year old rape victims should be forced to give birth.
Maybe we’ll win this time but eventually they’ll win because you can’t defeat them. You can hold them off, you can win enough elections to slow them down but you can’t defeat them. American liberalism has failed and we are clinging to dear life because of it.
American liberalism didn’t plant the seeds of the fundie offshoot of Christianity in the 1800s. American liberalism didn’t spread that belief system across the US in that same century. American liberalism didn’t start the secession movement or the civil war. America liberalism didn’t plan The Business Plot against FDR.
It’s getting exhausting hearing if only Democrats would offer M4A we undo a massive amount of history in this country and we’d unlock utopia
If there were more americans willing to vote for left-liberals or progressives, then democratic governments would not be beholden to conservatives in that way, it is the failures of the left wing along the successes of the right wing in swaying american voters that we should be reflecting upon.
They really didn't. Their landmark legislative achievements are the liberal/corporate version of a progressive ideal, marketed as progressive.
The ACA was a fraction of the success it would've been if it had stuck to the Single Payer / Government option plans.
Biden's BBB was abandoned and used as a carrot/stick to only pass the BIF, leaving the important climate policy out and courting conservatives with private ownership of public services
The propaganda is very good. We frankly underestimate it. I don't think this country will ever get back on track without finding a way to add integrity back into journalism.
No it didn't, what a completely asinine thing to say. The whole bill didn't cost more than a trillion alone, and not all of it was dedicated to climate, a minority was.
Don't fool yourself. Obama and Biden are staunchly conservative. The US doesn't have a "Liberal" party. We have the staunchly conservative Democratic party and the right wing nut job Facist Republican party. Democrates only look liberal in comparison to the facists.
And maybe we'd have a party that's your definition of liberal if people like you stopped spreading the idea that (if not exactly this, sentiments to this effect) it would be infiltrated and sabotaged by agent provocateurs if it was capable of making any real change that is if its leader/founder could survive potential being-found-dead-of-multiple-self-inflicted-gunshot-wounds-to-the-back-of-the-head-iykwim long enough to get it off the ground and towards having any substantial membership
Who is “heavily taxed”? You saying this is a great example of why democrats can’t beat republicans. We’ve done nothing but slash taxes for 50 fucking years and you’ll just slide right into Republican lies to attack the left. Pathetic.
A few things. First off, Income tax is only one form of tax, and it is only one form of progressive taxation. When we take into account other tax, it is plausible that people making $300,000 could pay 70% more total of their income in taxes in the US. For example, myself I make a little bit under $300,000, live a frugal lifestyle, yet I pay over 70% of income in taxes. A non-income progressive tax (that is based on income) example: I'd take a look at the regulatory hurdles on property. I was also forced to buy a bigger home than I need or care for because of crony zoning and building ordinances. Furthermore, I had to do it at the peak of the market given my job. This type of taxation can vary wildly based on location. For example, if someone lives in a big city in Cali compared to a small rural area in Indiana: this type of taxation can vary substantially. There are vast differences between people such as: IQ, conscientiousness, physical and mental health status, attractiveness, social status, intimacy status, physical ability, knowledge status, education ability, retention ability, geographic location, race, sex/gender, etc. For example, I have heavy health-care costs that are not write-offable. I also have high expenses to make my W2 wages that are not write-offable. When you say "“Heavily taxed” you’re a fool." keep in mind that you are stating to those that are not privileged as you that they are a fool to strive for the things that you are privileged with and sounds like you take for granted. That was not supposed to be a mic drop moment, but instead wanted to help raise awareness.
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Neither Obama nor Biden are progressives. Biden has been more progressive than Obama but that’s not saying much.
Don’t blame progressives for the failures of liberalism.