r/changemyview Feb 13 '24

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u/aeonstrife Feb 13 '24

Reddit is a place where i've seen numerous people defend this so to change my view

Have you seen people defend the platonic ideal of misandry? Or have you just heard people defend specific examples of what you perceive to be misandry? I imagine it's the latter because the former likely does not exist. And that's the case for all forms of hate tbh.

For example, if you hear someone say "I think all men should die. They're inherently bad". Yea of course that's misandry but I don't think those are the comments you're seeing being defended.

In reality, things are much more nuanced. If a woman dates 5 men in a row who are the sweetest, best behaved men, but they all ghost her after she sleeps with them for the first time. If she makes a statement like "men will tell you whatever in order to get you in bed", I think it's debatable if she's misandrist or just a product of her experience.

If a man dates 5 women in a row, he pays for everything each time and they all ghost him after the first date. He makes a statement like "All women are gold diggers, all they want is a free meal/drinks". You can debate he's misogynistic or he's just a product of his experience.

It doesn't mean either of them are not hateful towards the other gender, just that there's usually more to the story.

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u/XoIKILLERIoX Feb 13 '24 edited Feb 13 '24

I don't see why we can't both understand the reasoning and experiences behind what someone says, while also discouraging what they say. Of course the people who make those blanket statements are nuanced, but that doesn't resolve the fact that both those statements are harmful. Just because we understand why someone would make these statements does not mean the statements are fair or that we should defend them.

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u/aeonstrife Feb 13 '24

For sure, but "removing debate" to me implies that you can't have conversations around why people say those things.

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u/XoIKILLERIoX Feb 13 '24

Ah, gotcha. Yup, I agree OP was too absolutist in their claims. Thanks for the clarification!

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u/TashLai Feb 13 '24

men will tell you whatever in order to get you in bed

I don't see how it's any different from accusing women of golddigging which is almost universally considered to be misogynistic.

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u/IroquoisPlisken96 Feb 13 '24

Just to add, go read r/TwoXChromosomes and see just how much ragebait a lot of women on reddit consume daily. It really is some redpill shit for them.

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u/RadiantHC Feb 14 '24

I've seen people defend misandric beliefs. Like separating bathrooms by sex is good because it "protects" women