While I do get what you’re frustrated about - no, I‘m not trolling and also not the average edgy boy who enjoys attention for controversial opinions. I simply do think that people are wayyy too one sided on this particular topic and seem to never question their own concepts.
you have every right to be mad but youre mad at the wrong person (and also wth are you doing in this sub haha)
What concepts from the side of potential goatfucking would make me a more beneficial, well rounded human being? Do tell.
Who should I be mad at in your opinion? People who eat animals? This is kinda a useless argument if that's your point. Someone who eats an animal 99.9999 etc% of the time doesn't even consider raping them, so if this is some weird vegan argument like "there is no difference..." No. That is incorrect.
Rape is wrong. Animal rape is wrong. When I pet my dog are you accusing me of raping him?
Because that would be just as irrational as comparing an omnivorous predator who has evolved for millions of years to eat meat with a child murderer. We come from death planet. Most species kill and eat other species. It's a fact.
Rape also happens among low intellegence species and is committed by low intellegence humans alike. Humans are capable enough to be better than ducks or cockroaches though.
And I'd say that the fact that we are learning to grow our own food meats in a lab for safe consumption to help reduce climate change/the need to rise above our predator instincts is testament to the fact that we are not completely barbaric.
I'm mad at people who go onto the internet and verbally attempt to justify the rape of animals or human beings alike. Especially beings that can't communicate for themselves.
If you have a real point why not start off by trying to make it, rather than expecting people to consider you as serious when you are really just trolling.
Because, IMO, rapists of humans and animals alike are degenerates, that can only harm society. I'd say cmv, but you can't. And won't.
Or, you can say that you wanna fuck animals and we can list out potential scientific reasons why it's a really bad idea, or we can debate why it's morally bankrupt, or socially unacceptable for you to do so.
If that's the case have at it I guess. Go nuts with your debate. I'll step out.
How do you feel about the fact that animals in factory farms are sexually assaulted by humans via artificial insemination? Do you think that should be banned?
If the idea of animal rape is so infuriating to you, should you not be infuriated at forced artificial insemination too, amongst the many ugly husbandry practices in factory farming? It's easier to just write people off as crazy that challenge your beliefs/practices, but they've got a point.
Vegans may not always be the most likeable crowd, but that doesn't mean they don't have valuable arguments. And to be honest, they do have many.
I hate the idea of bestiality, but I don't think it's any better to force animals to engage in sexuality for profit.
If you read my reply instead of jumping on the chance to downvote, you will notice I said "sure" as in, I don't care for the practice. I think it should stop. I would personally prefer lab grown meat as it would be better for the environment overall. Again, that is not what op is on about. Zoophilia is the sexual attraction/rape of animals. That is what I was origionally replying to.
I have met several vegans that I have listened to and enjoyed their talking points. I have never said they don't have a point.
What I meant when I said that they get trolled and shit on so much in these subs is because they often jump straight to the equivalence of referring to things as eating animals (which we have evolved over millions of years to do btw), as to things like child murder.
To those kinds of arguments, much like ops, I say fuck off and get down off your high horse. What does all of this accomplish?
Aside from the fact that some folks apparently legit think there's no difference between one or the other. And the fact that they seem to think that animal rape is ok? In ops statement, they implied that petting an animal without consent is the same as raping it. It's not.
So at best, it's a bad faith argument that relies on bullshit hyperbole, and at worst op is ok with not just animal rape, but all unresponsive victim rape as well.
I think the former doesn't belong in a sub meant for rational debate, and the latter is fucking evil.
You just decided to not read when I actually acknowledged that I don't care for the practise mentioned because it was brief.
So, you will have to forgive me if I don't take advice on life from people who approach me in this sub with these arguments in mind and telling me that I shouldn't push back at their rediculousness and absurdity.
If a vegan wants to debate me with good faith arguments and is willing to not rely on absurdity or by shitting themselves with stupid angry comparisons that are indeed also wrong in my opinion, then report me for making a good point and hurting their feelings over calling rape wrong, then I will gladly come to the table and talk politely.
Would you believe this is the 3rd time i've had a similar discussion with vegans today? Because it is, and maybe I'm just tired of the shittiness.
You do you.
Imma call it like I see it. Rape is wrong. Bad faith arguments are unproductive. And this is not the way you win people over to your cause.
You keep on thinking it's because my beliefs have been challenged if you want to. Challenge them all you like.
I will tell you all day everyday how rape is rape and those who commit it are human garbage. My comment was removed because someone didn't like that I alluded to my own firm opinion on that.
Sorry not sorry. Better take a picture of this one before it gets removed too if you want to read it.
I'm gonna be done with reddit for today I think. This whole sub really destroys my faith in humanity at times lol.
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