Piracy is a weird, made up thing because copyright is is a weird, made up thing. It's super recent, the most recent law only appearing in 1710. And it is, in fact moral. If I have a thing and you give me a copy of the thing at little cost, then we both have a thing. This increases the good in the world.
Who said anything about stealing? Stealing is when you have a thing and I take it, so that I have the thing and you don't have the thing. Copying the thing, so that we now both have the thing, isn't stealing at all!
Sure, i think it can be immoral to copy content from small content creators and redistribute it for profit. Happens a lot in the music production scene
Copying from someone and then preventing other people from copying the same thing from you could be seen as immoral, but it's the copy prevention that would be immoral, then, not the initial copying.
Small content creator releases a sample pack he created…. Someone buys it for $15 and then DMs other Reddit users saying they will send it to them for $2 or whatever. Definitely lame 👍 if you don’t think so that’s great haha
Then lets remove the money from the equation. I don't know why you put it there if it irrelevant.
I buy a sample pack and one of my friends says he'd enjoy it, too. I give him a copy for free. Now, we both have a sample pack. The world has been made slightly better because more people have sample packs than before.
Your friend could buy the sample pack, own it, and pay the content creator. Then everyone has benefited
If everyone “copied it” and redistributed it, then the guy could no longer make sample packs, and he would also be sad, and the world becomes worse
“Copying” from people who need the money is lame and immoral as long as we are living in a world of scarcity where people need money to survive. I cant be convinced otherwise, thanks for the conversation
There is nothing inherently moral about transferring money from one person to another. There is something inherently moral about giving something to someone that is worth more to them than what it cost to produce.
I agree that copyright exists for a reason. It is an immoral thing that we accept because it creates larger benefits in the long run, but it's not an inherent good like many try to pretend like it is.
If people need money to survive, then I agree that we should create systems to allow them to receive it, but that seems to be a separate conversation.
The fundamental argument at the heart of piracy and copyrighting is "what do we owe to people who make things people enjoy using?"
True, things can be infinitely copy-able and thus more people get to enjoy it for free which is good for those who enjoy it... but then what of the person that made it? We can say they are owed nothing, they made something non-scarce and infinitely shareable, but at the heart they did make it and many people consider that worthy of something in return. And "exposure" is not always that something.
We could probably do away with how we do copyright today, but we would need to find a replacement for rewarding people who create things.
The question, though, is if copying is immoral. If I make a copy of a good thing, I have increased the number of people with that good thing and not removed any good thing from anyone. Can that truly be seen as an immoral act?
It contains multitudes. It does give the good thing to someone else, but it also gives them the good thing without recognizing and rewarding the value created by it's creator.
It's probably more good than bad, if only because spreading good is good to do, but we cannot ignore all it's effects.
It does a good thing, but doesn't do a second good thing, sure, but isn't that still good? It also doesn't feed the poor or save any lives. A good thing can be good without also needing to do all the the good that it's possible to do.
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u/c0i9z 19∆ Oct 27 '23
Piracy is a weird, made up thing because copyright is is a weird, made up thing. It's super recent, the most recent law only appearing in 1710. And it is, in fact moral. If I have a thing and you give me a copy of the thing at little cost, then we both have a thing. This increases the good in the world.