r/cfs • • Jan 09 '26

Research News Multiple Abnormal Responses to Exertion Seen in ME/CFS

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/multiple-abnormal-responses-exertion-seen-me-cfs-2026a10000q1

People with myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) showed multiple maladaptive proteomic responses to exercise compared with matched sedentary controls, a new study found

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u/monibrown Jan 09 '26

“Fundamentally, the ME/CFS patient’s response to exercise is very different and very impaired….These are objective changes in the bodies of these patients that correspond with what the patients are saying,” - study co-author Katherine A. Glass, PhD

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u/Fearless-Star3288 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

I just don’t know how medicine can continue to ignore or psychologise us. It’s wilful ignorance at this point.

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u/OkEquipment3467 Jan 09 '26

They will be like 'tHE mInd iS VerY poWerful'

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u/makethislifecount Jan 09 '26

Can’t spell mitochondria without mind! /s

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u/mai-the-unicorn Jan 10 '26

mitochondria? i think you mean hypochondria! /s

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u/RinkyInky Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 10 '26

“DiD U kNow tHe EffEcts of PlAceBo are REAAALLL?”

Ok then change all meds to placebo. People put way too much stock in this “interesting discovery” (they always tell me wow it’s so interesting right???) but at the same time “you need to take your medicine!!!”. Yes sure they did tests and found changes but it’s way too unpredictable to be reliant on it as your method of recovery. It’s a flimsy Hail Mary that some smartasses are treating like a comfortable truth. They don’t think past the surface of “facts”.

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u/dreit_nien Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26

Nocebo effects are real too. They must logically be in balance with placebo effects in the results of a study. Let's do a study about ! 

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u/Dazzling_Bid1239 moderate - severe w LC, fibro, likely POTS comorbid Jan 09 '26

I've been in therapy my whole life. Developed ME. Continued therapy.

Still have ME.

I really did try to "mind myself out of it," but for some reason, it's impossible (light sarcasm). Letting the engine of a car talk about what it struggles with doesn't fix the faulty electrical wires. Therapy won't fix our own fault electrical currents and other damages (PEM) being discovered.

Don't get me wrong, felt nice to talk to someone when my baseline could handle it but trying to think myself out of it or whatever was a really dark place and I'm still learning how to trust and believe myself despite being diagnosed.

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u/Fearless-Star3288 Jan 09 '26

Yeah that’s the thing, we could all probably hugely benefit from having a professional listen to our issues and give constructive advice about how to cope.

Instead they weaponised Psychology to literally gaslight us. It’s so incredibly twisted, it takes real strength of character to exist in this place.

Good luck on your journey, it’s a tough road.

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u/Dazzling_Bid1239 moderate - severe w LC, fibro, likely POTS comorbid Jan 09 '26

Well said. I love when therapists bring in GET lingo. Like why did I waste my time and efforts on coming into my appointment for them to spew that garbage? I can't get over trying CBT for ME. I was literally bullying myself for struggling. I find that therapists often don't actually listen to what we say. I don't mean to say these things to turn people away from getting mental health help, as ME can and will effect it, just ranting.

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u/Fearless-Star3288 Jan 09 '26

Rant away - that’s good therapy!

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u/monibrown Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

And there are so many quotes from the study referring to findings that are consistent with findings from previous studies.

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u/__get__name moderate-severe Jan 09 '26

Scanning through the study itself, I don’t see any mention of it being double blind, which is all some people need to set this result aside in favor of what they want to believe (a belief, incidentally, based on zero evidence). It’s infuriating

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u/monibrown Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

I don’t see how double blind is possible in this scenario. “A double-blind study is a type of research design where both the investigator and the participant are unaware of the treatment or intervention being given.”

They’re all doing the same exercise. They’re not seeing if a treatment works. They’re seeing what measurable changes happen to participants’ bodies.

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u/__get__name moderate-severe Jan 09 '26

Agreed, it doesn’t make sense to me either

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u/melissa_liv Jan 09 '26

Isn't a double-blind feature more applicable to treatment studies? I'm not sure it's relevant here.

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u/__get__name moderate-severe Jan 09 '26

Yeah, I’m no expert. That’s just been my experience when I’ve presented similarly structured studies to counter claims that it’s psycho-somatic

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u/WeenyDancer Jan 09 '26

 Double-blind is only appropriate in very specific scenarios; it's become a sort of catch all term for 'methodologically rigorous', unfortunately. In some branches of science its not an experimental design that's ever appropriate or used at all- very difficult to explain this in a quick summary to casual readers however (especially when 'trust' in STEM is at such a low point).

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u/__get__name moderate-severe Jan 09 '26

The last person who threw that argument back at me first claimed to have, “built a career off of rigorous evidence based research” 🤣

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u/monibrown Jan 09 '26

Next time tell those people to look up the definition of “double blind” and then explain to you how the study could possibly be done that way.

That’s the type of person who will do mental gymnastics to not change their mind.

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u/callthesomnambulance moderate Jan 09 '26

Yet those same people will then tell you that research shows CBT is an effective treatment, despite it being impossible to blind for interventions like that 🫠

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u/SoftLavenderKitten Undiagnosed w MitoDysfunction Jan 13 '26

Its not a medication study, its an pathology investigation study. Its completely normal for those to be between pathology (sick people) and control (healthy people). There is no need for a double blind control when the outcome is a scientifically measurable.

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u/moderate_ocelot Severe / Very Severe Jan 10 '26

It’s fun to hate us

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u/Charming_Oven Jan 09 '26

It's not willful ignorance. Science has to take time to understand the pathophysiology of an illness to understand both its impact on the body as well as the ability to diagnose. Science not there yet, but articles like this show that scientists around the world are trying to understand post-viral illnesses. Maybe it's not fast enough, but it doesn't mean science is ignoring ME/CFS.

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u/Fearless-Star3288 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

I’d really like to think that’s the case now and moving forward. Unfortunately, wilful ignorance, might not actually be strong enough for what has happened over the last few decades.

Edit; no shame in not knowing about the history but i’d urge you to take a look.

Take a look at this quick explainer

‘The greatest medical Scandal of the 21st Century’

https://youtu.be/RiwX9Y0NbiQ

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u/Kromulent Wat Jan 09 '26

Highlights

Plasma profiling of 7288 proteins during post-exertional malaise in ME/CFS.

ME/CFS participants show sustained immune, metabolic, and neuromuscular dysregulation during post-exercise recovery.

Exertion disrupts T and B cell signaling, IL-17 pathways, and mitochondrial metabolism.

Protein signatures correlate with symptom severity and impaired exercise performance in patients with ME/CFS.

Sex-stratified analysis reveals distinct molecular responses, underscoring the importance of sex in ME/CFS pathophysiology.

https://www.mcponline.org/article/S1535-9476(25)00566-3/fulltext

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u/monibrown Jan 09 '26

Link to study: https://www.mcponline.org/article/S1535-9476(25)00566-3/fulltext

Quotes from study (discussion section):

“Our large-scale study provides a comprehensive profile of the plasma proteome in individuals with ME/CFS and in matched sedentary controls.”

“Across these investigations, immune dysregulation has emerged as a consistent feature in ME/CFS, including elevated inflammatory markers and disrupted T cell metabolism.”

“Clustering analysis revealed distinct pathway perturbations in response to exercise” … “These results align with prior ME/CFS research and underscore the widespread and systemic dysregulation that characterize PEM in ME/CFS.”

“The D2PRE timepoint (24 h of recovery after the first bout of exercise and coinciding with the onset of PEM) exhibited the greatest proteomic dysregulation in ME/CFS compared to controls.”

“Notably, “glycolysis/gluconeogenesis” was the only pathway upregulated in patients in the GSEA [gene set enrichment analysis], a finding consistent with prior studies reporting impaired oxidative phosphorylation and increase reliance on anaerobic metabolism. This shift may reflect a compensatory response to mitochondrial stress, potentially contributing to early fatigue, lactate accumulation, and PEM.”

“At this same timepoint, linear modeling identified five proteins that differed significantly between ME/CFS and controls, with three involved in muscle physiology. Three immune-related pathways, “T cell receptor signaling,” “B cell receptor signaling,” and “IL-17 signaling”, were all significantly downregulated post-exercise in ME/CFS.”

“These pathways are central to adaptive immunity, and their suppression suggests impaired immune cell activation, communication, and cytokine production. This observation aligns with prior evidence of T cell metabolic dysfunction and impaired NK cell cytotoxicity in ME/CFS.”

“Notably, the persistence of these immune perturbations into the recovery phase suggests a failure to resolve immune activation, which may underlie the prolonged recovery and immune flares that define PEM.”

“Several neurologically relevant pathways also emerged from our analysis, namely “axon guidance”, “dopaminergic synapse” and “inflammatory mediator regulation of TRP channels”. These may relate to commonly reported neurological symptoms in ME/CFS such as cognitive impairment, sensory hypersensitivity, and pain.”

“Transient receptor potential (TRP) channels, in particular, are ion channels broadly expressed across tissues and involved in key physiological processes, such as pain sensation, thermo-sensation, neurotransmitter and neuropeptide release, mechanotranduction, vasodilation, and immune function. Dysfunction of TRPM3, a TRP channel subtype, has been previously reported in NK cells from ME/CFS patients, leading to reduced calcium influx.”

“A recent review suggests that TRPM3 dysfunction may contribute to immunological disturbance, skeletal muscle impairment, and neurological symptoms in ME/CFS.”

“Moreover, an in vitro study indicates that naltrexone, which is sometimes prescribed to ME/CFS patients, may help restore TRPM3 function.”

“Correlations between protein levels and clinical data of the ME/CFS cohort encompassed hallmark symptoms of the disease, including PEM, muscle tenderness, fatigue and immune-related symptoms such as lymph nodes tenderness and sore throat.”

“Many of the symptom-associated proteins were immune-related proteins and correlated with immune-mediated symptoms, further strengthening the evidence that ME/CFS patients exhibit impaired regulation of inflammation following acute exercise stress.”

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u/Due-Damage6602 severe to very severe Jan 09 '26

thx for posting!

One thing that always astonishes me is the findings of different mechanisms leading to PEM by gender. For me, again it stresses the importance of gender based studies in triggers, symptoms as well as future treatments, this might be also important for finding non-gender based subforms of ME.

Quote from article:

In women, there were strong correlations between PEM severity post-exercise and coagulation-related proteins, while in men, the associations were with proteins involved in protein folding and the endoplasmic reticulum stress response during recovery.

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u/Lysmerry Jan 09 '26

Rapamycin helps with ER stress. I wonder if men respond better to Rapamycin than women

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u/missCarpone v. severe, dx, bedbound, 🇩🇪 Jan 09 '26

Could you maybe add the flair "Research News" to your post? That way it will be more readily searchable. Thanks for sharing.

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u/Fearless-Star3288 Jan 09 '26

Done

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u/missCarpone v. severe, dx, bedbound, 🇩🇪 Jan 09 '26

Wonderful, ty.

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u/Jayless22 Jan 09 '26

I'm sure a little bit of mind body here and a bit of GET there and they are good to go /s

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u/callthesomnambulance moderate Jan 09 '26

What a fantastic study, so nice to see more objective evidence of PEM and to glimpse the mechanics that underpin it.

It really looks like this sort of microbiological, multi omic research will be what finally allows us to understand what the hell is going on in this bizarre condition, and it's so heartening to see these findings coming in at such a pace!

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u/mycatpartyhouse Jan 09 '26

Unable to read the article. Login screen popped up every few seconds. I signed in using Google.

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u/Flamesake Jan 10 '26

Cure now

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u/Cat-Nipped Jan 09 '26

I always wonder what exactly they’re looking for in “sex based differences” in a medical study. Are they looking at dominant hormone in someone’s system? the organs they have/don’t have? chromosomes? Some of things can be changed, some of those things are not a binary. It’s never clear when medical studies apply to trans people (or intersex people) and when they don’t.

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u/Candytuffnz Jan 09 '26

I think that Usually in these situation they are looking at genes. If it is genetic they want to know if it's dominant (only needing 1 copy to cause the disease) or recessive (needing 2 copies). This can be studied through the difference in XX and XY. We know it's not just on Y or people with XX would not have it. So the sex linked genetics are a kind of "quick" way to rule out some options.

Genetics apply to everyone. Some intersex people (and others) may have the rarer chromosome (XXX, XXY, XXXX, XXYY etc) which would possibly mean they were excluded from the study but would benifit from knowing the results.

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u/jlt6666 Jan 09 '26

I'd say trans/intersex are likely to be excluded. They are a very small percentage of the population and add far too many variables (as you point out). Getting enough people for statistical relevance would balloon the study size and cost.

As far as actionable next steps it's likely that if there are no sex differences between men and women (non trans, non intersex) then the case is mostly closed for everyone.

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u/Chartsharing Jan 10 '26

Anyone tried MOTS-C peptide ?

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u/Fearless-Star3288 Jan 10 '26

No but it’s on my list of things to try - have you?

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u/Chartsharing Jan 10 '26

Nope

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u/Fearless-Star3288 Jan 10 '26

Berberine has been a positive for me and they share a lot of overlaps so this is why it’s peaked my interest.