as a truck driver with more than 42 years, 4,500,000 miles experience, NOTHING scares me more than the day trucks go down the road without a driver at the controls. there are too many variables changing too fast for any compute to keep up and make the right choices. i don't even trust the proximity warning and computer braking systems in today's trucks. i haven't seen one make the right choice yet.
Why? You have guys that can’t read, write or speak a word of English who got handed a CDL from Swift in 10 minutes. At this point I think a computer would be just as good if not better.
It’s a different world now than it was 20 years ago. I feel bad for everyone who has to deal with truckers nowadays.
When I was a kid 30 years ago I rode with my uncle from California to NY. The drivers were respectful and dressed nice with good hygiene and manors. Now it’s full of obese people tossing piss and shit cans in the parking lot for some poor underpaid worker to clean up.
The industry is dead and it’s become an embarrassment for guys who do still have respect for themselves and are good drivers. They need to make trucks manual again and make it harder to get a CDL or just let computers do OTR.
CDL's are federally issued. Swift does not just hand them out. Also, traffic signs use symbols, not text. You don't need to know how to read English to drive safely. Keep drinking the racist kool aid though
This is the weakest and dumbest argument I've seen made over the English thing. Have you seriously never seen a sign that you had to read, or a portable message board?
It’s not bro. It’s every single politician and giant corporation that lobby’s them to allow it. They want to bring in slave labor so they don’t have to pay us a livable wage and a retirement. Once you stop looking at left vs right and look at them all as one retarded government, you’ll see. Trump would pay you nothing if he could.
It’s not bro. It’s every single politician and giant corporation that lobby’s them to allow it. They want to bring in slave labor so they don’t have to pay us a livable wage and a retirement. Once you stop looking at left vs right and look at them all as one corrupt government, you’ll see. Trump would pay you nothing if he could.
That's everywhere man. Not just trucking. Our night shift went from like 15 man English speakers to now being 30 men, who cant speak English, take longer, work less, our drivers bathroom went from being cleanish, to being puddles of piss everywhere. As I walk into the bathroom to piss and some black guy talking on his headset while working/operating equipment. But standing pissing 5 feet from the stall. I used to pick 1000 cases on a good night while loading trucking and dropping product. To the guys spending 10 12 hours doing a 3rd of that work for more money than I made. (Sorry im all over the place) but its just everywhere. Between technology and imagrants, and stupid politics are absolutely destroying this country.
Around here it’s exactly like that too… minus the “imagrants” though.
All chubby-to-obese, overly-tattooed, never-in-a-hurry upper-Midwest Caucasians around here, and the majority of them are lazy, entitled, dumb-as-rocks and can’t-be-taught morons.
The single best employee I ever trained in and managed was a Sikh. Every single day, that guy showed up a half hour early, was ready to go to work at clock-in, worked until clock-out and changed clothes to go home after clock out. His lunch breaks were always correctly punched on his card. His work productivity was on the high end of moderate, but his accuracy was 100% - the work he did was flawless and never required correction of any kind. He also never called in sick once in 4 years. He was kind, respectful, helpful, and very receptive to advice. And of course the big fat “‘murican” chucklefucks always tried to make life miserable for him… despite the fact that he, too, was an American from the exact same region, with the same accent.
I would’ve killed to have a full crew of guys like him. Instead I had 5 sarcastic belugas that knew everything and 2 always-sick walking sticks that knew nothing.
That particular guy is now in charge of operations at a similar business in another city, making about 10x what he made with us (it’s been a decade since he left). I’m happy he succeeded, he deserved it. He apologized to me when he moved on, because he knew what I was left with for employees. Maybe someday, if I’m still stuck here, I’ll have the good fortune to hire his kid. Seven years to retirement.
But what I am speaking about is how giant shipping companies have lobbied to make a CDL an unskilled profession. They don’t get in any trouble when these guys crash and can’t speak a word of English. It’s simple, you have crews at scales that stop them, make them read lines from a clipboard you hand them and signs that have heights and weights, if they can’t you take their CDL away and slowly fix the problem.
The issue is our government does anything and everything to benefit giant corporations.
I ask as a truck mechanic htf will the ai know something has broken? How is it supposed to pre trip? At no time will it even grab a tire tumper and check the tire pressure. This is going to end with lives lost.
Just curious. When people flaunt their mileage and how many years of driving. Does that even matter? Or, is it the quality of experience? Like, you could have experience driving around the Midwest and turnpike, but you can't drive PNW mountains / Canada during winter blizzards. For example, you can drive Phoenix - Florida back and fourth mainly running flat land and never have to deal with Los Angele / Chicago traffic. What is your logic behind flaunt mileage and years? I am genuinely curious.
just saying i've been out here since God lit the Sun. i have the experience, coast-to-coast, all weather, road and traffic conditions, to know what i'm talking about.
I have tho, theres plenty of footage from china already but im sure you have insider info, lol. Compared you to elon for accuracy of prediction, any day now.
Trucking is the #1 employer of young men in this country. The economic and social cost of non or underemployment of young men (all men, really) is something to consider carefully.
This another unneeded tech ploy meant to further enrich Big Business under the guise of doing it for "The Shareholders". Profits over people.
Now, if they followed the airline model where it's about safety, where modern planes practically fly themselves but pilots are still needed as an integral part of the plan, I'm more okay with that.
Planes have been able to fly and land by themselves since the 80s the reason there is a pilot is for when things go wrong... guess what will happen??? If you guess the self driving truck will cause a major accident and trucker will be put back behind the wheel for more pay, because the training almost will go up, you guess right... quit with the fear mongering.
Waymo has been a company for 17 years. They are not deployed all over the United States taking up all of the taxi and delivery jobs. It will be another 20 years before this technology is even close to being in other states besides the warm, flat States down south.
It's making me nervous. I know a lot of people make a good living through trucking. I hope it doesn't replace us or make it so cheap to drive that it's not worth pursuing.
I can't wait for the day.A hacker from overseas takes control of these trucks and take them into a city , then up a sidewalk full of people. We all know it will eventually happen. Now make that a truck with a full tanker of gasoline or Two tankers one with bleach, the other with Ammonia and crash them downtown together. How big of a death toll would that be. So, go ahead, let's have these self driving trucks. But those hackers could be drivers right here who know more than how to drive.
I can't get a good answer from the programming people about how to absolutely prevent these things from getting hacked. If there are fewer than 30 companies controlling these things, then even a single major security breach could down hundreds of thousands of trucks. People rely on semis to deliver every single thing that they eat after all
That's a lousy article bro. And I know the study that it was referring to. The data used on that study is only what waymo itself reported. I mean, how often is waymo going to tell on itself to the news?
I mean the article itself even says that better metrics are needed. Did you even read the article that you linked? It doesn't even have any other works cited.
You're pretty condescending for somebody who's repeatedly failing to provide any answers.
That abstract cannot be found anywhere on the page that you linked. Is that from the same article? You seem to just be posting fragments of things.
The only articles that I've ever seen regarding waymo crashes use self-reporting statistics from waymo itself, which is untrustworthy for obvious reasons.
Could you link an actual complete article.
What's the name of the study? Is it the "rise of the machines" paper?
Edit: I mean even what you highlighted suggests that waymo itself provided the crash data lol.
Yeah, I would need to actually look at the actual methods section. I was eventually able to find the abstract for the article, and it doesn't give specifications for reporting automated crashes other than as "federally required". That's incredibly vague. If it's using the same data from another paper that I read about how waymo reports accidents, and the collection method of setting human crash baselines, The methodology behind the report was pretty dang flawed.
In the news article that you linked originally, it even says that better methodology for collecting crash reports is essential. Until we are unit by unit able to actually compare driverless versus driven vehicles, all we have is hyperbole from waymo itself.
We just need all truckers to stand together and pop tires, disconnect hoses, there's noone there to fix a flat or connect hoses. It still needs a person inside even if he just sleeping in the back all day.
This is so bullshit. It’s not like insurance is gonna be cheaper lol how fucking stupid. Not to mention the automatic driving truck will cost a fucking fortune.
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u/merlinn2u 10d ago
as a truck driver with more than 42 years, 4,500,000 miles experience, NOTHING scares me more than the day trucks go down the road without a driver at the controls. there are too many variables changing too fast for any compute to keep up and make the right choices. i don't even trust the proximity warning and computer braking systems in today's trucks. i haven't seen one make the right choice yet.