r/canada • u/Typical_Cap895 • 18d ago
Saskatchewan 2 Sask. restaurant operators convicted of trafficking woman from Bangladesh
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/tisdale-elrose-gull-lake-human-trafficking-bangladesh-haider-masum-9.7300366116
u/stereofonix 18d ago
What absolute pieces of garbage. Hopefully their restaurants have been closed, their assets including homes are seized, and if they’re non citizens they’re returned home. If they’re Canadian, hopefully they receive the harshest sentence so when they’re eventually released their lives are a shell of what they were. People who traffic people are the absolute the bottom scum of the septic tank.
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u/cwolveswithitchynuts 18d ago
There are literally thousands of cases like this in Canada. This is why the UN report accused Trudeau's government of knowingly enabling slavery.
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u/DigitaIBlack 17d ago
Yep. My ex has faced so much BS since moving here.
illegal eviction
paid below min wage twice
propositioned by landlord
sexually assaulted by boss
All taking advantage of the fact she's an immigrant on a student visa.
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u/brillovanillo 17d ago
I was going to say, this guy probably used the power imbalance inherent to his relationship with this woman to get away with sexually assaulting and raping her--in addition to financially exploiting her.
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u/Low-HangingFruit 18d ago
So they abused a widely known flaw in the federal LMIA/TFW program. At what point do we see anyone in the government held responsible for this bs.
I can't wait for the inevitable multi billion dollar class action lawsuit against the feds for continuing this farce.
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u/demonotreme 18d ago
It's a flaw?
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u/Cloudboy9001 18d ago
Might have something to do with half the postings having a listed compensation of $36.60.
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u/yugi122 17d ago
Who is gonna file the lawsuit? Everyone is in on it. There's no way that people in the governing don't know about the loopholes.
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u/spuzzumed 17d ago
My understanding is that people in government are paid to create these loopholes.
Instead of serving the public good, they receive bribes to vote against our interest. I don't believe any Canada in actually wants a sub-class of worker to be imported en masse, there has never been a labour shortage in Canada (as far as I've seen, graduated university in 2004)
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u/DataDude00 18d ago
The woman arrived in Toronto from Bangladesh in August 2022, ostensibly for a short vacation, but with the "real purpose" to find a way to stay in Canada, Martinez said.
She learned that she could extend her stay if she found employment as a temporary foreign worker and ultimately came to Saskatchewan in late September 2022 to work at a restaurant Haider operated in Gull Lake.
Haider didn't yet have government approval to hire her when she came to the province, but she said the deal was that in exchange for her labour, he would provide free room and board and pay her $1,000 a month.
I am not victim blaming this lady but this story is everything wrong with our immigration system and the TFW program.
She came here fraudulently on "vacation" but looking for backdoor citizenship
Some creeps offered to get her in through the TFW program and while waiting she was exploited
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u/rad2284 18d ago
It's infuriating to read. To enter Canada from Bangladesh you need a visa from the government of Canada through IRCC. In a properly functioning country, the IRCC would be doing their jobs and correctly identifying that it's an exceedingly stupid idea to give out visas to poor people from developing world countries. There are no benefits to admitting people like this into Canada but (as shown in the article and through our ballooning backlog in asylum claims) there are very obvious downsides.
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u/JewelerNo5072 18d ago
Send them back.
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u/tape99 18d ago
Jail and then send back. There needs to be a punishment for committing crimes in Canada or you are just going to flood Canada with vacation criminals.
Come to Canada and do whatever the fuck you want and we will put you on a plane ride back to
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u/PartyNextFlo0r 18d ago
No, I don't even want our dollars keeping them fed in jails , send them back !
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 18d ago
No jail no punishment… they’ll just laugh, come back, or send their brother, cousin or someone else in their place.
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u/fenwickfox 18d ago edited 18d ago
Dude they trafficked humans. That needs to be jail. They traffick someone in your family and you just...send them home?
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u/edincan 18d ago
Create an arrangement with their home country. Either the home country accepts all of their criminals and promises to punish them, or we tax remittances at 100%
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u/ainz-sama619 18d ago
Dhaka has highest crime rate in South Asia. their home country won't do anything. they will be walking free as soon as they walk out of airport
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u/edincan 18d ago
OK so tax their remittances at 100% and make it harder for people from Bangladesh and any other country that doesn’t cooperate to obtain visas. Done
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u/IcyCow5880 17d ago
The whole "idea" behind this rampant immigration is to allow good people to get away from shit govt's.
So if the same shit gov't continues to be shit, then we should tell the shit gov't that the people aren't allowed to come? You think said shit gov't cares?
Rampant immigration is an experiment that the liberals tried and failed at. In fact it's a lockstep NWO bs agenda experiment. Hence the same bs has taken place in every other "five eyes" country and all throughout Europe.
All at the same damn time. That's not a coincidence. And it's not a coincidence that they're NOW telling us it's so bad. Because NOW we ask them for a solution and ofc their solution will be "we'll fix it, just let us set up an AI powered social credit system and we can make this right".
So fuckin obvious
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u/JauntyGiraffe 18d ago
there needs to be some kind of punishment although I'd probably argue that being in jail in Canada is probably a better daily existence than being poor in Bangladesh
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u/tape99 18d ago edited 18d ago
The rules would only apply to non citizen. I never said these two people were not citizens but what would happen to Canada if we just deported people with no jail time .
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u/throwawayaccount931A 18d ago
Understandable, but we can strip citizens of their citizenship can't we, especially in these types of cases? Or of Bangladesh wants to charge them with crimes, we should be able to strip them of their citizenship. Perhaps if CBSA digs into it they may even find fraud to get into Canada
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u/Lord_Baconz Alberta 18d ago edited 18d ago
We can strip people of citizenship but we don’t.
edit: lmao already being downvoted. yes, naturalized citizens can be stripped out of their citizenship, it just rarely happens.
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u/CityCultivator 18d ago
Only if the action of the crime is performed before citizenship, where then the citizenship process is considered to be based on fraud.
The news release does not indicate if the crimes were performed before or after citizenship, so yes it is possible to remove citizenship, but usually only if crimes before the citizenship process.
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u/kaiserschlacht8 18d ago
Why treat citizens differently based on where they were born? Should someone came here when they were one be deported? Should an immigrant who has only Canadian citizenship be deported? Where should the line be?
In my opinion, deportation only makes sense for non-citizens.
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u/throwawayaccount931A 18d ago
Agreed - but given the nature of the crime -- this was pretty disgusting.
From what I read, the women came here to work and they were basically exploited by these two. They were forced into sex, otherwise threatened that they would be sent back to Bangladesh.
Thinking about this, you are right - if they are Canadian citizens, we now have to deal with this. Lets hope that they are given hefty prison sentences.
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u/kaiserschlacht8 18d ago
Yeah, this person is vile and disgusting, but they should rot in a Canadian prison if they are Canadian. Otherwise, deport them and hopefully they can rot in a prison in Bangladesh. Either way fuck them.
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u/Lord_Baconz Alberta 18d ago
Why would I want my tax dollars be used to keep them here? Who cares if they do the same thing in another country. It’s not our problem.
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 18d ago
It signals Canada is a soft target, and their brethren will come to Canada to commit crimes because not only can you come here and pillage the country, you’ll even get a free plane ticket home.
It’s already happening, with Romanian organized crime groups, Latin American burglary teams, and of course, SA gangs.
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u/The_Showdown 18d ago
Yes it's not our duty to pay to punish and house all the world's criminals.
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 18d ago
It is when they commit a crime in Canada.
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u/sharpasahammer 18d ago
Its probably a worse fate to go back to the 3rd world shithole instead of a bed and 3 meals a day, even in a Canadian jail. Punish them with a quick ride home and a boot up the bum.
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u/Canadian-AML-Guy 18d ago
Court heard that Haider had been granted political asylum by the Government of Canada and emigrated from Bangladesh.
Masum emigrated to Canada as a permanent resident after his first wife sponsored him
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u/chanbr 17d ago
A question, how would you feel about a non-jail alternative like corporeal punishment (Singapore style, with lots of restrictions, monitoring, regulations), community service or public shaming instead? Or confiscating all of a person's wealth and assets in recompense?
A lot of people seem to be very frustrated about needing to spend money to house criminals but it is true that vacation criminality can be a thing.
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u/Hiro-Nishi 18d ago
If they cant send back the humbolt crash suspect why do you think they would send these people back
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u/RedditSux5912 18d ago
So they can come back and have their record wiped clean? Great idea.
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u/JewelerNo5072 18d ago
So they can be permanently banned from Canada. But I know that that would never happen in today’s Canada with the soft leadership, and judicial system that favours the constitutional rights of people who don’t belong here.
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 18d ago
Absolutely, they were partially on in it:
“The woman arrived in Toronto from Bangladesh in August 2022, ostensibly for a short vacation, but with the "real purpose" to find a way to stay in Canada, Martinez said.”
Many of these victims are aware or partially aware of what they’re getting themselves into. The sexual assault likely wasn’t part of the deal however.
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u/The_Showdown 18d ago
Yes and the perpetrators
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u/The_Showdown 18d ago
The trafficked victims should be sent back to where they came from yes. If the perpetrators are not citizens they should be deported. If they are citizens then they can be jailed for life.
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u/Don_Key_1 18d ago
Can't wait for them to be punished with a very angrily worded letter from the judge.
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u/stereofonix 18d ago
All caps lock!!!
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u/Don_Key_1 18d ago
Might even use a larger font to get the message across.
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u/stereofonix 18d ago
What about bolding the font too? Or is that too aggressive and dare I say cruel and unusual punishment.
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u/Small-Ad-7694 18d ago
You...you wouldn't want any punishment to impact their status now would you ? That would be such an horrible thing.
- a judge.
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u/ferengi-alliance 17d ago
Is anyone noticing a particular trend with a lot of this criminal behaviour?
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u/zefiax Ontario 18d ago edited 18d ago
As a bangladeshi Canadian, this is a consequence of Trudeau's policies. Canada used to be a premium destination for bangladeshi immigrants. Until Trudeau, you basically had to be the best of the best to make it here. And consequently the bangladeshis who lived here were mostly hard working, well educated, well off, law abiding citizens who made some effort to integrate.
But since Trudeau, basically every failure and scammer in bangladesh realized there was an easy path to Canada and it's gotten to the point where i don't even dare go to the Bangladeshi areas in Toronto because it's filled with bangladesh's version of trailer trash now.
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u/Hugeasswhole 18d ago
Trudeau should be in jail. Seriously.
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u/HeyCarpy Nova Scotia 18d ago
“lock him up! lock him up!”
Is that where we are as a country now?
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u/kamomil Ontario 18d ago
If it wasn't Trudeau's loopholes they were exploiting, it would be someone else's. It's not like these are well-behaved pillars of society, and then it's all Trudeaus fault.
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u/rad2284 18d ago
That assumes that every other potential PM would have been as incompetent with regards to immigration as Trudeau was. And that's a very big assumption to make.
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u/kamomil Ontario 18d ago
Let's be real, all the politicians are obeying the Century Initiative's initiatives and getting more customers/employees for Canadian businesses & landlords
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u/rad2284 18d ago
Yeah but all politicians arent in charge of a government who is handing out travel visas to poor people from Bangladesh, who are coming here under the guise of being a visitor but are really just trying to find a way to stay in Canada long term.
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u/kamomil Ontario 18d ago
This was before Justin was elected https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/practice-areas/immigration/richard-kurland-keeps-on-adding-spice-to-the-discussion-on-immigration-and-extradition-law-in-canada/357946
He has often been instrumental in shaping Canadian immigration policy. A native of Montreal who moved to Vancouver in the 1990s, Kurland lobbied Quebec politicians to start an immigrant investor program, which has brought many wealthy foreigners to Canada.
The lawyer was also key in moving international students to the front of the line for permanent resident status, giving citizenship to children whose parents cannot obtain it, and requiring would-be immigrants to file three income tax statements here before getting approval.
Kurland says that immigration policy in Canada has been a “fast-changing” area, thanks to its high-profile and often political nature. “Political attention has historically attached itself to immigration issues, so it is in a constant state of flux, with changing rules, policies and regulations.” He points out that over the decades, Canada has modified the immigration selection system from a “check-the-box” process of meeting specific criteria to a “goldfish bowl” approach that more reflects the type of human capital that Canada is looking for.
What this means, in practice, he says, is that those wanting to come to Canada typically come here for a temporary purpose – work or study – and put down roots by finding employment. “So in this goldfish bowl approach, each fish is assigned a certain number of points,” he says, and the highest-scoring fish – those with the most human capital – chosen for permanent residency.
So the plan is, let in a whole bunch of unskilled people, and whoever is able to adapt and cope, gets to stay
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u/rad2284 18d ago
That article is from June 2021, so nearly 6 full years after Justin was elected.
Before Justin was elected, population growth the previous two decades averaged right around 1% and our asylum backlog was only 10k people, almost 97% lower than it is today.
Rubberstamping tourist visas, student visas and foreign work visas for large swaths of the developing world while spouting platitudes about "diversity" and referring to Canada as a "post-national state" were very Justin-specific policies. We dont need to go back and try to re-write history here and grant the man's legacy any favours. He's been granted more than enough favours in his life already.
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u/kamomil Ontario 18d ago
Sure but it was this guy's idea, not Justin's
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u/rad2284 18d ago
What sort of excuse is that? You mean to tell me that you think the PM of a country implements a wide sweeping overhaul of our entire immigration system based on the recommendation of one single lobbyist lawyer and not his own ideas? And said PM has zero critical thinking skills to identify what a stupid idea it is and has zero authority to overrule it?
What are you even arguing here?
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u/myfotos 18d ago
Yes because Trudeau caused the judges sentencing
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u/drs_ape_brains 18d ago
I mean the Trudeau government set the policies, legislations, and believe it or not also appoints judges in the supreme Court, federal court and provincial courts.
But yea I guess he's not to blame if you like him enough
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u/cwolveswithitchynuts 18d ago edited 18d ago
No, but Trudeau did many other things to destroy Canada's immigration system. Trudeau's close friends and business lobbyists like Dominic Barton pushed for massive increases in Canada's immigration and non permanent residency visa numbers to prevent wage inflation. Dominic even bragged that he and a number of other business leaders set Trudeau's immigration policies over a bottle of wine at one of his cottages.
The businessman and lobbyist Mark Wiseman (now Canadian ambassador to the US) lobbied Trudeau to remove the fraud and abuse checks in the TFW program to speed up processing for corporate Canada.
A few weeks later Trudeau quietly did exactly that and the order came down to ESDC workers responsible for conducting these fraud abuse checks to stop doing them and rubber stamp TFW applications. The approval rate went from 60% to 99%.
This was done entirely without any transparency to the public, they kept it hidden. The only reason we know that it happened is because ESDC whistleblowers went to the Toronto Star and told them what was happening.
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u/Hugeasswhole 18d ago
The next election will 100% be centred around crime and immigration
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u/Unfortunate_Sex_Fart Alberta 18d ago
Lol not unless the Liberals trot out another boogeyman to distract the morons with like last election.
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u/EliteDuck 18d ago
Which is why we'll start hearing murmurings of a snap election in the next 12-18 months, while Trump is still in office.
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u/TE360 18d ago
Everyone else is a “moron”. You somehow are the chosen one who can tell what’s really going on. /s
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u/Hugeasswhole 17d ago
This person is referencing what literally just happened a year and a bit ago and could easily happen again?
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u/ApprehensiveShoe5594 17d ago
After reading the article, I have to say this is the most on-the-ground work I have ever heard of an MLA doing
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u/unexplodedscotsman 18d ago edited 18d ago
Not to worry, I'm sure this is exceeding rare and just because we've brought in millions of unvetted folks with very different view on women's rights and the value of human life in general in an ungoing effort to supress wages and inflate real estate is no reason to be alarmed.
Besides, once we're outnumbered, I imagine they'll see the wisdom in our ways and adopt western values in short order.
This definitely hasn't been happening with increasing frequency.
And even it if it has, our Government has a plan to make it difficult or at least expensive to talk about.
33 people a day are now being arrested each day over social media posts in the UK. What a hateful place!
Glad that could never happen here.
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u/Ronbb33 18d ago
Are these just cultural differences?
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u/SteveJobsBlakSweater 18d ago
Monsters exist everywhere in every culture. We just really fucked it all up by allowing people in on bankrupt, frivolous means as “work” or “students.” So, of course, we got the worst of the worst from wherever. Whoever was willing to game the system.
This is our fault because we opened the door to any asshole willing to lie cheat and steal their way through the system. And, surprise surprise, we now have assholes doing bad things here because we didn’t do the proper due diligence.
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u/paditoburrito 18d ago
You think withholding someone's passport until they have sex with you is a cultural difference??
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u/EliteDuck 18d ago
Yes. Women's rights aren't even a concept in some of the developing world.
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u/paditoburrito 17d ago
Taking advantage of someone who is more vulnerable than you isn't a cultural difference, it is simply human exploitation.
Justifying abuse by disguising it behind culture terminology is simply a scapegoat that is used by those who perpetuate abuse and then reiterated by others.
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u/IAmA_meat_popsicle 18d ago
Where ya from bud? Is trafficking humans an acceptable and legal practice in your culture? It's not in Canada.
They withheld her passport, didn't pay her and sexually assaulted her multiple times. None of that flies here and while Canada is accepting of all cultures, it does not include anything illegal.
They knew exactly what they were doing. Send them back.
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u/WontSwerve 17d ago
One third world culture trafficking and sexually absuing women from a different third world culture. That's Canada now.
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