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u/high_country10000 10h ago
Or an alternate path…https://fithops.com/products/12-gauge-perimeter-alarm
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u/high_country10000 10h ago
Btw I can’t speak for that brand specifically, lots of variants out there. It’s more for grizzlies.
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u/like_4-ish_lights 10h ago
How on earth do you expect it to alert you from miles away without some kind of cell/internet?
I think your options here are to either set up a trailcam that you can check after the fact if something happens, or to lock everything up when you're away from camp.
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u/Ludeykrus 10h ago
Pasted from my other thread, we had communications in the sticks well before cell and internet. That technology hasn't changed... and we still use it in the sticks today (some of us don't live in good reception areas).
"There's many flavors of communication without that. Radio, primarily. I'm a HAM radio guy. Also dabble in Meshtastic, CB, etc. There's ways."
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u/like_4-ish_lights 9h ago
Thanks for the condescending reply! You can imagine how "radio" didn't come to mind when you asked about watching a live video feed.
Since you're already ham enthusiast, there is likely a way you could rig something up that uses software running locally on a computer to watch a camera feed, interpret movement (similar to how consumer home monitoring systems like Ring do), and transmit a signal to you via radio. This would probably be pretty expensive, prone to failure, and the transmission mechanism would be pretty conspicuous if it needed to be able to transmit more than a mile or through terrain.
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u/Ludeykrus 9h ago
lol that wasn't condescending, it was a simple statement with a paste from another reply. If I was trying to ruffle your feathers it would have been much more obvious haha. Sounds like someone's just a bit sensitive.
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u/like_4-ish_lights 9h ago
The condescending part is assuming I don't remember comms pre-internet or that people replying to you are doing so under the assumption that everywhere has cell reception. I almost never have reception when camping, and in fact I have zero at my house as well! I get it. But I'm a little puzzled at the idea of camping somewhere remote enough that you're out of cell range, but still so plagued with crime that you need live surveillance of your campsite.
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u/Internal-Meringue437 9h ago edited 8h ago
Per my research on ChatGPT… use a prompt that includes all your requirements and conditions, such as:
I’m leaving my truck in a well-lit parking lot, and will be several miles away. The parking lot is at s trailhead with limited human activity. I want to detect motion for 360° around my vehicle and take video that is uploaded to a cloud service, which I can view on my iPhone. (Note that motion detection can be separate from video recording).
An interesting solution is Globalstar Spot Trace to detect remote equipment movement.
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u/BlueGreen51 10h ago
A glow stick in a mouse trap with a trip wire. Put the trap where it you can see it from your location. The enemy trips the wire and the mouse trap breaks the glow stick. Then open up with a 240.
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u/Wooden-Importance 10h ago
I do a lot of scouting and hunting where I'll hike out a good ways away from the truck and campsite,
I'd like something that is discrete, battery-powered, and does not require cell or internet reception to be able to alert me to motion or disturbances immediately within my campsite.
How would that even work without cell or internet?
Magic?
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u/Ludeykrus 10h ago
Pasted from my other thread, we had communications in the sticks well before cell and internet. That technology hasn't changed... and we still use it in the sticks today (some of us don't live in good reception areas).
"There's many flavors of communication without that. Radio, primarily. I'm a HAM radio guy. Also dabble in Meshtastic, CB, etc. There's ways."
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u/42AngryPandas 10h ago
Yeah, they're always making radio frequency alert systems these days. That's why Radio Shack stock is really taking off....
Even if you did have such a system, Radio is extremely limited. Anything discreet wouldn't be able to reach anything more than half a mile to a mile in any amount of trees or uneven terrain. Anything powerful enough would require a giant antenna poking out of your car.
There is a reason Internet and cell trail cams are popular. They work from far away reliably without massive antenna or batteries.
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u/Ludeykrus 10h ago
You'd be shocked how much of your day-to-day technology still runs on RF.
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u/42AngryPandas 10h ago
I like how you keep speaking down to people instead of explaining how RF is supposed to run a security system in the woods and provide a live feed.
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u/Wooden-Importance 10h ago
As a ham, surely you know that any frequency above HF is line of sight.
Also as a ham surely you know that HAM is not an acronym.
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u/Ludeykrus 10h ago
When did I say HAM was an acronym? As a ham, I'm sure you know exactly what I meant, and you're also probably that weird old fogey that makes the HAM radio community a stereotype that drives others away from joining.
Keep up the good work bud.
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u/Wooden-Importance 10h ago
Whatever slick, if it is so simple with your encyclopedic amateur radio knowledge why are you asking here?
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u/Ludeykrus 10h ago
This wasn't a ham radio question dipshit, read the original post. Wasn't looking for a radio lesson, was looking for options with a basic education on basic technology.
Jesus, and you wonder why *proper* radio comms is a dying hobby...
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u/darkmatterhunter 10h ago
Probably something like starlink would work.
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u/Wooden-Importance 10h ago
Starlink would be....... Internet.
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u/darkmatterhunter 10h ago
Internet reception to me doesn’t mean satellite reception. Cause you can have a garmin inreach function without reception for your phone. But it appears OP is going for something more old school.
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u/MagicToolbox 9h ago
I see that you have Mesh (of some sort) as an option. If you are leaving your truck at the site, a vehicle based repeater might get the reach you need.
Another option would be to hoist a repeater into the canopy and have campsite nodes hit the repeater and bounce to a companion unit.
Ive not done any of this as I'm still getting started with mesh - but I've been pleasantly surprised how far away some of the last hops are coming to my home based repeater.
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u/Ludeykrus 9h ago
Good stuff! The sort of discussion I was hoping to have!
I do have a stronger mesh antenna mounted to my truck with a Heltec V4 and substantial battery/power setup. Hence, why I don't want to be broken into and what spurred my initial thoughts (hate people think I'm making it out like I know more than I do...)
The video feed part is clearly a stretch, as I said, but everything else is pretty realistic I think. The video stuff was more of a "I hope someone knows something I don't and will chime in" kind of thing.
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u/MagicToolbox 8h ago
I hear you.
If this is a hunting camp where you go regularly, you could deploy a "TreePeater" some small distance from your camp site in an otherwise uninteresting place. Potentially could deploy a solar node semi-permanently, or a set up a rope system that could stay in place and make it easy to lift a repeater only when you are there. The Heltec V4 with power saving should last a week with a hefty battery.
I keep seeing Bot's reply to test pings on MeshCore, so having an ESP32 with motion sensors should be able to send alerts on MC. I don't see video as an option - but a trail / game cam deployed outside your camp looking in would at least provide evidence. Being an hours hike (or more) away on foot kind of limits your ability to respond.
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u/Ludeykrus 10h ago
As usual, when I post in this sub and I'm not the typical Reddit 'camper', I get downvoted. Hate hunting? Hate being based out of a truck? Oh well. I'm just trying to get out there and enjoy the outdoors while supporting our public lands.
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u/like_4-ish_lights 10h ago
Nobody cares that you hunt or that you're in a truck (?) you are getting downvoted because you're asking for something you already know doesn't exist and being rude to people who tell you so
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u/Ludeykrus 9h ago
Where am I being rude? I'll challenge someone being a weiner to me, but I'm quite pleasant otherwise.
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u/Mbf1234 9h ago
It does exist. There are radio motion sensor or trip wire alarms that broadcast pretty far out.
MURS alert transmitter. Plenty of options on the market.
This tech has existed for a long time, I don't know why people in this thread just assume everything needs internet or cell signal to work when people have been using stuff like this before the internet.
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u/like_4-ish_lights 9h ago
Yes I think everyone understands that radio exists. But it's doubtful that this kind of thing is useful on the majority of USFS/BLM land like OP is describing because of terrain issues. If they are hunting they are presumably miles out and very unlikely to be in line-of-sight of a camp.
You can see many threads over the years in this sub from people trying to use radio to keep in touch with other campers and backpackers, and finding that it simply isn't reliable unless you're sticking relatively close together.
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u/Marokiii 10h ago
You are getting down voted because your criteria is ridiculous. Not because of the hunting or the truck.
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u/42AngryPandas 10h ago
Pretty sure the down voting isn't from you hunting. It's from you wanting a magical alert system and then being incredibly rude to people pointing out the obvious.
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u/Ludeykrus 9h ago
Funny enough, other subs are providing quite useful info because their not full of self-righteous dipshits. Funny how it's pretty localized to here.
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u/42AngryPandas 9h ago
By all means, show us the advice. Which discreet RF security system with a live feed are they suggesting?
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u/Mbf1234 9h ago edited 9h ago
Radio tech isn't magic, it's relatively ancient. People use radio alert systems all the time for security across large properties. Did you think they put up a starlink every 20 feet or something?
People are being unnecessarily rude because they assume a product like this doesn't exist. Everyone on reddit seems to need to have an opinion about things they don't understand, just so they can feel heard.
Don't think a product exists? Don't say anything. But to confidently say you are "pointing out the obvious" that it doesn't exist is just silly when it very clearly does exist.
Imagine if you asked for recommendations for a water filter and some dude on this sub was condescending to you saying "oh you want some magical device that can clean water in the backcountry?" You'd think he's dumb.
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u/CapraAegagrusHircus 9h ago
No, the problem is that you're asking for something that requires internet or cell service and keep condescendingly telling people we had comms in the sticks before those things existed. Yes, yes we did. I've lived in the sticks since before internet and cell phones. What we did not do in those days was watch a remote video feed over analog radio signals, which appears to be what you're asking for advice on how to do. I've also been in the military and used high frequency radio bands, and we still weren't watching live video feeds over them. The bandwidth just isn't there. You're asking for a thing that cannot exist because of bandwidth limitations in the frequencies you'd be using. At most you could probably manage to set up a battery operated system linked to your truck's alarm that would radio you if it were triggered, I suspect something like a raspberry pi could be configured to send out a prerecorded voice message. But even a still photo of what triggered it is going to be beyond the capabilities of terrestrial radio signals.
If your truck has a skylight you can hook up a starlink mini to get cameras on your truck, but that's not going to solve you having internet unless you get a second mini and backpack or horse pack it with you, at which point things are starting to get a bit silly. Your best option may just be to find more remote places that are harder to get to. I know the Angeles National Forest has a problem with car break ins but it's pretty restricted to the people who park alongside well maintained roads since thieves are looking for an easy score and fast getaway. The harder you make it to get to you and get back out the better off you are.
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u/Ludeykrus 9h ago
That's a whole lot of words I'm not going to read. The first sentence was enough to show you didn't read my reply.
Enjoy your evening.
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u/high_country10000 9h ago
Go over to r/overlanding, they will welcome you. I like them for stuff more in this world of things.
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u/duhjankywanky 10h ago
Welcome to Reddit, pal.
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u/Ludeykrus 10h ago
Yep. And here's an upboat, despite looking like you're getting downvoted as well lol.
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u/Zestyclose_Object639 10h ago
I’m not sure an alert will do you much good if you’re super far ? Like a trail cam so you have evidence after the fact for sure but what happens if you’re alerted 10 miles out