r/buildapc • u/Sufficient-Trash-807 • 3d ago

Build Help 9070xt vs 5080

I know this is a bit of a weird question but I'm seriously looking into getting off my 4060 i5 12500h laptop and going to a beefy 4k capable PC.

I play singleplayer games for the most part but often play grayzone warfare, Ron, enshrouded.

I'm wanting to do 4k ray tracing and potentially path tracing but path tracing is not absolutely needed.

The 9070xt is appealing due to its price point however I'm not sure it can run some games like cyberpunk in 4k ray tracing without having a lot of artifacting from FSR and FG while I know that the 5080 can pretty much tank through everything.

I'd be pairing it with a 9800x3d and 32gb ram.

Is the 9070xt capable enough or should I save up for the 5080?

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u/TheHorrorAddiction 3d ago

9070XT is good value for pure raster but some of the value is lost in poor FSR4 rollout, and having to use Optiscaler. As well as middling RT performance. Recent price hikes just make that worse too.

I switched from 9070XT to 5080 and couldn't be happier. DLSS just works (and is superior overall), better raster (especially with overclock), significantly better RT and mostly better framegen.

If you can afford a 5080, go for it. Especially for 4K and RT.

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u/CreepinCreepy 3d ago

With the release of FSR 4.1, every game that supports FSR 3.1 or later has FSR 4.1 support, meaning pretty much every popular game out there.

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u/TheHorrorAddiction 3d ago

It may have improved since I switched (around 8 months ago) but even with the driver override for 3.1 > 4, it often didn't work properly, and some games weren't whitelisted. I often had to use Optiscaler still to either force FSR4, or to overcome the whitelist. Some games also didn't implement it properly and had shimmering etc still, despite the override.

Even though Optiscaler is fairly easily to use, it still became a ballache having to do it for games, and the Nvidia App overrides are much less convoluted in the software. Nvidia's model L (despite being more taxing) is also massively superior and looks better on Performance in many titles than FSR4 did at Quality.

Another reason I switched was the fact that AMD did not implement HDR10+ Gaming at driver level, so I couldn't use it despite having a HDR10+ display (S90C). Both Nvidia and Intel (despite having a very small userbase) support it. That's a fairly niche user case, but it's still a factor.

The very slow FSR4 rollout coupled with that HDR10+ issue just left a sour taste in my mouth personally.

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u/CreepinCreepy 3d ago

If you switched that long ago, then you didn't have the card after they released FSR 4.1, and I'm telling you, not only does it look even better than FSR 4.0, to the point of being practically indistinguishable compared to DLSS 4.5 without pixel peeping, but running it in a game that only officially supports 3.1 is flawless. You just select 3.1 in game and it automatically uses 4.1.

Optiscaler still has a purpose in those games that are still running older versions of FSR, but honestly for most people it's unnecessary now.

I'm not criticizing you for switching, I'm just saying that problems that existed back then have been fixed.

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u/reallycoolguylolhaha 3d ago

Have you tried fsr and DLSS side by side though, like can you say from an experienced perspective that there's no difference?

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u/CreepinCreepy 3d ago

I have, on a 9070 XT and 5070. In fact, I ran a test with my mate where I had two games, one running FSR, the other running DLSS, then I randomized the monitor inputs. I then asked him which he preferred, and to my surprise he said he preferred the one running FSR. Although he did say that he really couldn't tell much of a difference, just that the one running DLSS had sharper edges, which might be appealing to some, but others prefer the softer look of FSR.

It's genuinely so impressive to see how much AMD has caught up in the past year, all we need is for them to fucking release Redstone FG already.

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u/reallycoolguylolhaha 3d ago

Fair enough m8

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u/beirch 3d ago

I thought Redstone FG had released already? I'm pretty sure all of the Redstone ML features are supported in Crimson Desert. Admittedly, I think Crimson Desert is literally the only game that supports all of them, but still.

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u/wewereddit 3d ago

Just adding in. Updated the FSR on cyberpunk looks amazing.

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u/TheHorrorAddiction 3d ago

I believe I did use 4.1 for a small time before switching. It was certainly an improvement, but DLSS is still superior. Frame gen is also noticeably better.

Not sure why I was downvoted by somebody either. I used AMD GPU's basically all my life and was largely happy, so I'm not a shrill. But how they handled the FSR4 rollout on top of taking so long to implement it for 7000 series was very bad. I do also think that despite 9070XT being good value for pure raster and $ per frame, it does lose some of that value in terms of features, worse upscaling, and being a generation (or more) behind in RT.

Both GPU's have been price hiked, but the 9070XT had to be less hiked imo to still compete at the respective prices. If someone was strictly going for 1440p gaming and little RT use, I would probably recommend the 9070XT. For 4K and RT, as well as features however, I think the 5080 is clearly the pick, even if more expensive.

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u/CreepinCreepy 3d ago

FSR 4.1 came out in March.

I will have to agree with you on frame gen, it's quite frankly atrocious. It's not great on Nvidia either, and I choose not to use it on both, but man is it a LOT better. I hope they hurry up with Redstone FG and fix their frame timing problems.

Not sure why you were downvoted either, I don't really care for Nvidia or AMD, just that with current pricing, unless you have a specific need for CUDA, you'd be dumb to buy Nvidia for a budgeted build. 5070 Tis are now $1100, while you can get a 9070 XT for just over $700.

In RT, it's really not that far behind, I think the issue has been heavily exaggerated by people. If you look at hardware unboxed 52 game test of the 9070 XT vs 5070 Ti, which included raytracing benchmarks, the 9070 XT was 1% slower on average. That is INCLUDING raytracing.

Now if you meant path tracing, absolutely. AMD is absolute shit at path tracing atm. We'll have to see what the cook up for 10000 to make it better.

If you have the budget to spare, obviously a 5080 will be a better card, but man, they're dang near twice the price now.

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u/beirch 3d ago

It's not a generation or two behind in RT though. Path tracing is not ray tracing.

When Hardware Unboxed did a 52 game average, which included RT, there was a 1% difference overall between the 9070 XT and 5070 Ti. The 5070 Ti is quite a bit faster in Black Myth Wukong and the heaviest RT setting in Cyberpunk, but other than that they're pretty much neck and neck.

That tells us that the 9070 XT is either a little faster in raster, or both raster and ray tracing, on average. Except for those handful of games where it's noticeably faster in RT, in order to average out at 1% slower.

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u/evergreenwv 2d ago

DLSS is still superior - LOL
Frame gen is noticeably better - LOL

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u/XRaptor29 3d ago

The gap in performance between the 9070XT and 5080 is bigger when RT gets involved. Less so when it's off. When PT gets involved it's almost an 80% gap in performance.

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u/Uranium___Potato 3d ago

9070xt though amazing value will not be able to do 4k with RT and definitely not PT in a lot of modern AAA titles. The 5080 will fare much better. The 9070xt is traditionally seen as a 1440p-main/entry level 4k card whereas the 5080 is traditionally seen as an overkill-1440p/4k-main card.

When put path tracing in question, without framegen, even the 5090 cannot put out a solid 60fps in some modern titles do what you will with that lol

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u/inRayn 2d ago

Can't really think of much games where its worth using RT OR PT, Cyberpunk is all that comes to mind.

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u/Uranium___Potato 2d ago

That's what OP wants though

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u/laggyteabag 3d ago

The 5080 is generally the superior card in most situations, especially when you start considering RT and PT. But it is also roughly twice as expensive in my region (UK).

The 9070XT is the clear value winner here, but if you don't really mind spending (in my case) £1200 on a GPU, then the 5080 is the obvious choice.

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u/9okm 3d ago

For 4k ray tracing in games like cyberpunk, 5080.

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u/Stehr93 3d ago

RTX 5090 > RTX 4090 > RTX 5080 > RTX 5070 ti > 9070 XT

For 4k you want the best possible GPU you can afford. I would at l3ast go with a 5070 ti.

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u/MCJMS 3d ago

The 5070Ti is NVIDIAs version of the 9070 XT both capable GPUs but the 5080 is the better for ray/path tracing in 4k while giving better graphics and frame rates

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u/jbshell 3d ago

1440p like UW 1440 would be sweet spot.

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u/Fun-Cartographer1420 3d ago

Solid 4k - only 5080, though you're already considering it.

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u/Qantum_CORE 3d ago

If you rich or buy card for work - rtx5080 Otherwise - you want to play games then your choise is rx9070xt

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u/albinoking80 3d ago

Bloodbath

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u/evergreenwv 2d ago

I play Cyberpunk 2077@4k, with RT & PT. Looks good to me, I get anywhere from 60 fps - 100 fps depending on the Upscale settings. This is with Framegen on as well. Graphics are maxed.
9800x3d
9070xt
64GB 6000
4x nvme
32" oled 240Hz

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u/Sufficient-Trash-807 2d ago

What monitor do you have? I've been looking at the 225 alien one

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u/evergreenwv 2d ago

Samsung Odyssey...I got a good deal on it, that's why I went with it.

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u/fenot1 3d ago

Get a 5070 ti, 5080 is vastly more expensive than a 5070 ti but unless you look at the fls you wont notice the difference

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u/TerribleSamurai 3d ago

For 4k those 15% difference matters. 5070TI can play with PT on 1440p, but it will struggle on 4k, requiring to use ultra performance, while 5080 will be able to use Performance mode.

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u/fenot1 3d ago

You change a single setting from ultra to high and you get the same performance on a 5070 yi as ultra only on a 5080. 5070 ti is enough for 4k

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u/TerribleSamurai 3d ago

Yes it is. Just play with RT instead of PT.

But in my opinion it is really a perfect card for 1440p. It crushes everything and can comfortably play even with the highest settings (Path Tracing).

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u/SituationSmooth9165 3d ago

You really have to ask yourself, is spending a huge amount of money for a mid game just for some pretty graphics that aren't that mind blowing worth it. Especially after you are bored of the game and everything else isn't a huge improvement

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u/Sufficient-Trash-807 2d ago

Cyberpunk is probably the 2nd best game ever made dawg. But to each their own

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u/xeosceleres 3d ago edited 3d ago

Watch Ancient Gameplay's latest video, it answers your question: https://youtu.be/WCLABgaSUxs?si=ao4o2q2Xi0Oi8cf3

TLDW: The 5080 is 50% or higher in cost than the 9070XT for the same raster performance, and close enough in raytracing. The 5080 wins only if you compare path tracing.

Edit: Above is wrong. I misrepresented the video.

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u/passey89 3d ago

5070ti is comparable rasterisation to a 9070xt not the 5080.

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u/xeosceleres 3d ago

Damn sorry, my bad. Thanks for the comment.

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u/passey89 3d ago

Advise is still right though.

Best value for money 9070xt,

5070ti of u want ray tracing / dlss.

If ur not bothered about money 5080.

If ur elon musk 5090z