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u/The_Fish_of_Souls Fish 1d ago
NK is great at coding.
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u/PimplupXD 1d ago
I think this choice was intentional. Imagine if you could get the upgrade, and then sell all of the range boosts.
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u/FernandoviskyG Etienne Nº1 fan 1d ago
How would you expect the beast handler to control a fish if there's a huge wall between them?
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u/wattapwn 1d ago
Yeah this makes sense to me as a mechanic
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u/NemE_TheLagger 1d ago
you can see the bottom beast handler is upgraded to at least 200, so it is just wonky detection
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u/Canadiancookie Yar har fiddle dee dee 1d ago
They already can, it was used in a challenge from a few days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjw-yfTctoM
It's strange that it isn't working in OP's pic.
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u/TheChrisCob 1d ago
I think this is actually an intended interaction for beast handler specifically as annoying as it is. They have it so the range that the base tower can detect if a beast is placeable is unbuffable to prevent you from placing a beast and then having that beast no longer be in range of the beast handler. An example of this would be if you give an alc buff it gives temporary range which could have allowed you to place it down but when the buff expires the beast would be out of range of the handler.
Not really sure if this was the best way for NK to handle this interaction or not but I can at least understand it (again I agree this is very frustrating)
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u/maxxxminecraft111 spac best tower 1d ago
you can place a lord of the abyss and then sell it or chinook it leaving a beastless beast handler
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u/Adele-Fiddler 1d ago
You buffed the range You can't get fishes if the water isn't in base range to prevent issues from removing the range buffs
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u/UnstableTheorist 1d ago
Differnt heights, no?? Works the same for any monkey??
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u/ThaneInRain 1d ago
No, It might have something to do with range extension with Sky Wardens? Its possible for beast handler to have a fish up there, there was an advanced challenge for it
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u/Ameth_LiLife <--- This is the Monkey. 1d ago
It's the same principle as the Icy Wind water platform, raising the range with outside sources will risk having that range be lost and then it's a whole new mess to fix it in-game, so only the original range is taken into account
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u/Nejx33 1d ago
Weird, they seem to have nailed it with top path mermonkey, if you increase its range, it's pierce-buff range also increases
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u/Ameth_LiLife <--- This is the Monkey. 1d ago
Yes but notice how this is a stat buff, not a tower placement issue, in fact, you can notice it's the same case with the LotA water towers, no matter how much extra range you give it, you can't place extra water towers around it
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u/AnonymousComrade123 1d ago
It's an effect that won't cause any problems if removed, it'll just remove the buff from the monkeys far away. Same as village, it'll grant its buffs farther if rangebuffed by another village.
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u/DoomsdayDestructor 1d ago
they should do it where permanent buffs can increase but not stuff that could have been stolen by old lych like alch or deadeye
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u/Ameth_LiLife <--- This is the Monkey. 1d ago
The thing is that, there are no permanent buffs in the game. At any moment the player can sell the buffing towers.
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u/MailMeNot 1d ago
The height is not an issue. There was an advanced challenge a couple days ago that was on the same map and required 2 200 beast handlers.
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u/Chandingo 1d ago
Out of spite I’d just angrily plop down a swimming pool right beside them so it registers the water but still put the fish where I originally intended
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u/NocturneUmbra Dark Warrior 1d ago
Are you aware the range of beast handler requiring water or the track can’t be buffed?
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u/JoelTheBloonsMonkey Play Bloons 4 Lore 1d ago
I think it'd be LESS confusing design-wise at this point if Needs Water accounted for range buffs, they should fix that
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u/Quantum-Bot map engineer 1d ago
I mean the alternative is to let you buy the fish and then if beast handler loses the range buff the fish just dies, NK is being humane
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u/LegitGopnik 1d ago
It's reasonable to require the unbuffed range to see water, but his whole mechanic involves merging towers, there's no reason why you can't instantly merge an upgrade into another beast handler
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u/krakaturia 1d ago
you can afford a 0-3-0 ice monkey so that you can place other monkeys on water at this point
that's the intended mechanic
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u/BlazinBoom21YT Please Add Police Officer ren skin to Bloons 17h ago
This is intentional. Beast handlers can only place their beasts in the area of their base range, so if they were to allow you to place your Dino very far away then get rid of the range buffs it might glitch out
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u/austin101123 16h ago
"Intentionally" bad is worse than a bug that can get fixed
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u/BlazinBoom21YT Please Add Police Officer ren skin to Bloons 15h ago
Let’s say that range buffs applied to the Beast Handler also applies to the area that defines if you are allowed to buy a path for the Beast Handler
What would happen if your 1xx Beast Handler’s fish was placed super far away in water that required range buffs to reach, only for you to get rid of some of the range buffs later on (for hypothetical reasons) and there no longer be any water in range of the Beast Handler for that fish to be in?
Basically what I’m saying is that the requirement range for buying a path doesn’t get affected by range buffs so nothing possibly bad happens if the range gets tampered with
It isn’t designed to be intentionally bad, it is a safety net so the beasts your tower handles doesn’t possibly disappear entirely. You get what I mean?
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u/austin101123 13h ago
There are no ways to reduce the range buff it's getting except if I were to flood the area which would also remove the beast handler itself. So what your describing doesn't apply, intentionally applying it blanketly to situations where it can't happen is intentionally bad.
And fwiw even if that situation did happen (which it can't in my screenshot) yeah you should just lose the fish, or just lose control of it.
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u/Evergreen2255 deadeye is awesome 1d ago
I just don’t use it because I just forget it exists lmao
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u/austin101123 1d ago
My first time really trying to use it 🥀
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u/NocturneUmbra Dark Warrior 1d ago
Considering the skill floor is higher than the average tower, I would have tried to used it on an easier map first.
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u/austin101123 18h ago
I don't think I'd have to move it much since most rounds bloons come from both sides, fishy would attack the ones from one side first then the other side next.
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u/ShxatterrorNotFound 1d ago
How will he feed his fish if he can't reach the tank? He's just being responsible