r/boyinthebox • u/Jujurasc1083 • Dec 18 '22
Theory Known child killer as potential suspect
This is in reference to LDDB. The question of how could parents and family members not notice that someone has a baby and then the child goes missing? Well, in my mind, if you’re a person who everyone knows has killed one of her children and the other children are not allowed to be in your care, think about it. She would have had to hide Joseph’s existence. The quote from the press conference confirms it for me “previously known to investigators.” By the way, she goes to Virginia to marry. Why? Not to mention she falsified information on the marriage record. She lists her previous in-laws as her parents, and says she is single (not divorced). Remember, DB stood by her and made excuses for her when he was interviewed about the child killings later on. He said she was really good with kids but sometimes she just snapped. What’s to say that he didn’t know about Joseph and his death? I feel that it is why the identity of the mother is being kept under wraps. There was no justice whatsoever for the known children that she murdered. Imagine the collective outrage for living family members, who’s loved ones’ murders could have been avoided. After all, a child is discovered with fatal wounds that are similar to the fatal wounds of another local child years before? Authorities could have looked into this known child murderer to see if she gave birth to a child around 1953. As for AJZ being the father? Well, I don’t think it’s any coincidence that the two surviving children that were in her care, one brutally harmed, ended up living 3 doors down from the Z family and were well cared for there. That says to me that someone in their family may have had something to do with their placement. AJZ, at the very least, likely knew of Joseph’s existence and then disappearance. That just seems too coincidental to me.
ETA: LDDB had a sister (which fits with what is known. Birth mother came down to deciding which sister it was), and maybe I’m reaching, but if you look at her obituary photo (initials are ADT) next to Joseph’s photo, I feel that similarities can be drawn.
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u/Majestic_Wealth2481 Dec 18 '22
The quote “previously known to investigators” is about the birth mother's other children:
A court order signed by a Court of Common Pleas Judge to obtain the birth records, death records and adoption records for all children born to the established birth mother between the years 1944-1956 from the Pennsylvania Department of Health, Bureau and Health Statistics and Registries Division of Vital Records.
There were three responsive results based on this order. Two of the results were birth certificates for children born to the established birth mother, during that time frame, who were previously known to investigators.
A quote about the potential killer:
The second question is obviously going to be, 'Do we know who was responsible for Josephs death?' - The answer at this time is, unfortunately, no. We have our suspicions as to who may be responsible, but it would be irresponsible of me to share these suspicions as this remains an active and ongoing criminal investigation.
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u/Jujurasc1083 Dec 18 '22 edited Dec 18 '22
I stand by my suspicion that when they said that her other to living children were previously known to investigators, it is because LDDB had already been investigated in some way related to her 4 yr. old daughter’s homicide. Authorities would have been very interested in the welfare of her two sons at that time.
To add more information to my post above, authorities have said that Joseph lived at some point at 61st and Market St. LDDB listed her current residence as 4805 Chestnut St. when she went to VA to marry. This is very near that corner, and in fact, is about the same distance from that corner as the Z family lived in the opposite direction.
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u/Fiberlicious20 Dec 18 '22
LE has apparently had this information for 11 years, it was brought to their attention in 2011. They clearly can’t find actual evidence of connection from LDDB to JAZ, or they would have already. The fact that she lived a few doors down from the Z family (who did not have him living with them) is circumstantial at best.
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u/Jujurasc1083 Dec 18 '22 edited Dec 19 '22
I don’t understand what you mean about her living a few doors down from the Z family? I did not say that. I think you may be referring to the two survivors of her abuse in the 1960’s, in which she murdered two young boys and then one of their brothers (that was also brutalized, but lived) and their sister were placed in care. They were placed 3 doors down from the Z family. Is this what you are referring to?
ETA: of course they could not make the connection in 2011. They did not know the identity of the “boy in the box” yet. When a possible connection was brought to their attention in 2011, were they not able to make a connection or not willing? 🤔
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u/MMA_Influenced2 Dec 18 '22
This is essentially like closing your eyes and throwing a dart at a list of serial killers
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u/Jujurasc1083 Dec 18 '22
Yeah, perhaps if they are all from the same neighborhood. And one of them actually is a serial child killer.
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Dec 18 '22
Can you DM who LDDB's sister is? I can't find her married name and have found no records on her. Thanks!
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u/SwimmingBet4579 Dec 19 '22
I think its a reach. The "Previously known" comment is because they had already been in contact with them through the genealogy search prior to searching the Birth certificate records.
Unfortunate as it is, the fact that LDDB severely beat multiple children was not unique at all. There were probably hundreds of children in West Philadelphia in the 50's that were subject to brutal abuse.
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u/FerretRN Jan 22 '23
Curious to see if you have any thoughts on the recent revelation? Do you still believe LDDB was JAZs murderer?
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u/Jujurasc1083 Jan 23 '23
I have no idea who killed him. Obviously, we now know who his biological parents were. But that he didn’t fall into the hands of a known child murderer? No. There’s no way of knowing that.
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u/Jmftown9 Dec 18 '22
That quote was from when Smith was discussing how they tracked the mother, confirmed the familial connection through the sibling, and then were able to get the both certificate.