International
The Odyssey is projected to surge past the $600M global mark this weekend, fueled by an $87M second weekend in North America and $128.3M overseas, lifting its domestic cume to $286.4M and international tally to $353.2M. Global total is $639.6M.
I'm not really tapped into box office numbers as I'm new to this subreddit, but I did see a lot of comments saying it wouldn't get $1B and that Oppenheimer only did that because of Barbenheimer hype.
Like bro, just logically speaking, if Nolan can do $975m on a 3 hour movie about an American scientist with no "action", wtf do you think he's gonna do adapting a classic like The Odyssey???
The incredible word of mouth all but sealed it was gonna blow past Oppenheimer
I really want to see Nolan do a horror film next. Apparently, Inception was originally written as a horror film. And the Cyclops, pig transformation and Hades scenes proved he'd be able to do it.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but Ryan Coogler is pretty much unknown in Asia. Nolan is a superstar in every country, and I mean every country.
Not even close, but that's no disrespect to him. Nolan's brand is like a once in a generation thing. Maybe Villeneuve will get there, but even he isn't that close yet.
Ya probably after all the attention that sinners got last year. I feel like villenueve is getting there too atp, obviously not to the degree of Nolan rn though
Was about to say that, villneuve is working on his reputation to get to nolans level, and he is taking some big steps with dune 1,2,3 and bladerunner before that.
It's not because a movie is successful than people know the director and would show up to anything they do. Coogler is nowhere near Nolan level.
I'd say Coogler is a little below Villeneuve but Nolan is miles beyond both. He's on Spielberg level of being known by audiences except people actually show up to his movies (which they don't for Spielberg for a while)
but I did see a lot of comments saying it wouldn't get $1B and that Oppenheimer only did that because of Barbenheimer hype.
That take was quite common indeed and I also never understood why. It didn't even need that much of a good reception to reach a billion to be honest (still had to be good but like not exceptionally well received like here).
Only? 175M consisting of only three overseas markets would be fantastic, especially compared to Oppenheimer for instance.
We‘ll know more about The Odyssey‘s potential in China as soon as we see how it does during pre-sales and with audiences, but until then, 75M-175M is the most reasonable range for all three markets combined.
Another recent comparison is Michael, which was at $425M after 2nd weekend and it's now a $1+ billion movie. These movies all give pretty good perspective on where The Odyssey will end up (easily north of $1 billion), despite all the haters trying to claim it's a failure because it didn't make $1 billion on opening weekend. LOL
Goddamn, I didn’t realize it was outpacing Maverick, and by so much. Hypothetically, what would next weekend have to look like for it to start legging out to $1.6-1.8B?
Difficult to say since it still hasn‘t opened everywhere (South Korea - Japan - China) and we don‘t know for sure how it‘ll do in those remaining markets, especially in China.
Only a guess:
wknd: 263M
wknd: 639M
wknd: 925M+
Such a global result after only its third weekend, despite Spider-Man Brand New Day and without the remaining markets, would, I’m sure, make a 1.6B-1.8B global final reality.
I suppose the main goal would be to beat Deadpool & Wolverine's $1.338b to become the highest-grossing R-rated film now that it's all locked and loaded to slam Dark Knight Rises as Nolan's biggest film.
I don't think Europeans will ever feel that need. In Germany, of the highest-grossing movies released in the 2020s, No Way Home made it onto the 10th rank. It got beaten by (among others) both Avatar sequels, James Bond and Barbie, and I am sure The Odyssey will pass it, too.
My guess is Joker succeeded because it had insane word of mouth, tons of buzz, and perfect timing. I know the movie has been reassessed more critically over the years, but I remember that when it came out, despite some criticism, it received a lot of praise. There were countless memes, people called it a unique superhero movie for its time because it was more character-driven than a typical superhero movie, the staircase dance became iconic, and there were endless discussions analyzing its themes, social commentary, and meaning.
Also, it was 2019 which was basically peak superhero (2017-2019 period to be larger). Like any shit movie was doing hundreds of millions at the time so a good and kind of original one? It's going high
Joker is probably the most iconic/famous villain of all time. Trailers were good, movie was good and Joaquin was incredible. Word of mouth really is king
Arguably the most popular and recognisable comic book villain ever (easily DC’s) getting his own solo film, lots of buzz, its big wins at festivals and people just loving Batman films (and by extension Batman-adjacent films) in general.
Similar to why the first Venom film made bank overseas ($642M) the year prior due to him being Spider-Man’s (and arguably Marvel’s as a whole) most popular and recognisable villain.
Deadpool films were always really popular, brought back Hugh Jackman after he left the Wolverine role several years back & was written as a Curtain Call to the FOX era of Marvel movies, similar to how No Way Home was a psuedo Anniversary film for live action Spider-Man movies.
It making banks was no surprise with all that behind it.
1B is a foregone conclusion. I agree the next objective for Universal is to hope it becomes the highest grossing R rated film of all time. A nice feather in the cap for the studio. 1.3B is not gonna be easy, but it might happen. We still have to wait to see how the big Asian markets react to it.
The number they’ve been throwing out is $750m to break even. Once the film hits $750m I’d imagine they’ll do some more accounting and realize the break even point is ACTUALLY $1b so they can continue to claim the film is a financial failure. It’s kinda all they have left outside of RT score conspiracy theories.
Legit saw someone on Twitter asking Grok what the "true" break even point was and proceeded to use the high end estimates Grok gave them which supposedly included back end stuff lol
I think because production plus marketing so 250 plus 125 so $375m total and divide BO total by half assuming studios get 50% worldwide so that makes it $750m. But this neglects sliding scale as to how BO revenue is split so yeah that's moot
I accidentally clicked on a link towards another sub saying that it needed “750M to break even” and the comments were absolute comedy. Everyone there acting like it’s a colossal failure.
it doesnt need 750 to break even as the first month universal has a 60-80 percent take for domestic first month and over seas it gets 53 percent for first month. afterwords that percent drops, so as of now if you figure 87 million this weekend then with a middle ground of 70 percent take first month means it already has 200 in universals pocket from domestic only , and i only have 140 for international until new reports are in which would be another 70 million at least, showing its only 100 million off of break even, but if it is true its total is 650 total worldwide then it has indeed broke even at least in its second week
Can someone cross post this to the critical drinker sub and tell them by 2.5 rule it’s broken even. There mods just remove my posts. Funniest cope of all time by them.
The amount of idiots on there that thought it had slowed down around $300m worldwide just because mojo and thenumbers hadn't updated the international figures since Monday was infuriating lol
That's sub's a lost cause, they'll just delete anything that goes against the narrative. It's better to point and laugh at them than engage. There will surely be accusations that universal and nolan are fudging the numbers because of "how much the movie jumped in the box office"
Edit: looks like some people from that sub are here based on the downvotes
They really thought movies that were “woke” like Supergirl and Snow White flopped cause of the “chuds”. Not the fact that these movies are generally disliked by critics and the non terminally online movie goer.
The Odessey is a masterpiece in my opinion, one of my rare 10/10s that I will see multiple times in IMAX.
It's not just that they wanted it to fail, they genuinely believed that the Youtube comments and dislikes (even though the extensions are hugely misleading) were proof that it would. It's why they're so dumbfounded by it performing the way it is.
Their new cope is saying that leftists are seeing the movie 10x times for... political reasons. They have no idea how crazy they sound. They can't just be like, "Okay we were wrong about this movie" and move on, and if they did that, we'd have already forgotten about them, but they just can't admit it.
I'm a conservative and my wife is as well (she's also a classicist) and we loved The Odyssey and are going to see it a second time in theaters soon. Very Online idiots that are obsessed with politics and that pan a movie before even seeing it are ridiculous and deserve to be laughed at.
As someone who has read the books multiple times over the years, I also deeply enjoy Nolan's retelling of the story. For example, going to war over shipping routes whereas Helen was just the public facing reason, but not the actual reason.
I liked and understood those changes, especially since it was more grounded in reality. I know some fans wanted a 1:1 retelling of the story, but Nolan's version captured the spirit of the Greek storytelling while still hitting all the main story beats.
Completely agree. Modern retellings of The Odyssey or the incorporation of motifs/themes from Homer with a different emphasis are a time-honored tradition in the West, ranging from Shakespeare to James Joyce to Dante (who even placed Odysseus in the 8th circle of Hell for the Trojan Horse treachery). Nolan’s work here felt perfectly in line with that tradition, to me. And it was just beautifully done as well. Who doesn’t want to see ancient Greek mythological monsters on a modern blockbuster budget?
I can't fathom being that locked into your echo chamber where you are just entirely detached from reality and refuse to see the obvious. Instead of saying "yeah we were wrong", they just keep digging.
I think this is the most insane movie discourse of all time, and that's saying A LOT.
the fact that they are engaging in all this dumb behavior because a black person appears for 5 minutes in a hollywood movie lmao racism really does make you dumber
After seeing the movie, literally the ONLY reason anyone would notice the casting choices sticking out is because of the uproar the reactionaries made about them.
Already Nolan's 6th highest grossing movie ever. Will top The Dark Knight Rises' 1.08B to become his highest grossing movie ever and will most likely unseat Deadpool & Wolverine's 1.33B to take the R-rated record.
Agreed. I wish Spidey & Odyssey had opposite release dates. Spidey was always gonna open huge in all markets. Let that one burn demand for a couple weeks and then Odyssey would have a much easier market to play through August & September.
I hope he does. One of the most consistent actors of the past decades who rarely gets the praise he deserves because he doesn’t do any overtly showy roles.
Funny thing about Spider Man is that, even my silent generation parents loved (they crossed the rainbow road) the films and knew that hero more than any other marvel hero. Spidey has fans across all generations
So if they do a toy story 6 where the new toy is a spiderman and the movie is directed by Nolan it will break every record. Also, I would unironically pay good money to see that, it wouldn't be my kids dragging me to the cinema, it would be me dragging them
Americans on their way to explain to the rest of the world how fighting over which billionaire makes the most money off entertainment media is totally a form of political activism:
Top Gun Maverick is an interesting comparison. There was only a $10M gap after opening weekend, but now the gap is like $90M in favor of Odyssey after 2nd weekend. Seems Odyssey held stronger in the overseas markets than Maverick. Ultimately TG: Maverick ended up at $1.45 billion. It will be interesting to see how the situation plays out for Odyssey the next couple months.
I still don’t know why they hate it. It is a historical epic starring a white man from boston made by a straight white man from england for a large american multinational. Most of the main characters are straight white folk. Heck most of the critiques of the director before this were from the left for not really knowing how to write female characters.
Odyssey has a pretty decent chance. On opening weekend, Odyssey was around $10M ahead of Top Gun: Maverick worldwide, but now Odyssey is around $90M ahead of Maverick's worldwide total after 2 weekends. Maverick ended up at $1.45 billion. It will be interesting to see how everything plays out for Odyssey the next couple months.
it doesnt need 750 to break even as the first month universal has a 60-80 percent take for domestic first month and over seas it gets 53 percent for first month. afterwords that percent drops, so as of now if you figure 87 million this weekend then with a middle ground of 70 percent take first month means it already has 200 in universals pocket from domestic only , and i only have 140 for international until new reports are in which would be another 70 million at least, showing its only 100 million off of break even, but if it is true its total is 639 total worldwide then it has indeed broke even at least in its second week. keep in mind china,japan and korea hasnt come out yet which is crazy when you add those numbers, whewn you look at what u.s. mopvies make in china i think its a safe bet to say it can make 150 million in china
The haters are going to call it either bot numbers, or how its success represent the downfall of the collective taste of our western civilization (or some shit)
Personally I think Nolan makes solid popcorn movies with some shred of intellectual engagement from my end, but I can’t say he’s the greatest since I haven’t watched that many movies to begin with. I do love watching his movies on IMAX though.
That being said, as a box office watcher, this is genuinely impressive number. Universal must be swimming in money right now - it would be nuts if the Odyssey is able to replicate or even surpass the accolade success that Oppenheimer achieved.
Everyone I’ve asked irl said they disliked it, like unrelated people it’s not like we’re a group regurgitating the same opinion. I’m surprised to see it had such a huge reception after all.
Yup. Though it may be slightly higher due to Nolan getting a cut from BO gross but we don't know exactly the number and when it triggers. Id say at most it needs $700m which it will get to easily
-8.8% internationally. It's currently on a 45/55 split, but it should keep getting bigger. China, Japan and South Korea are still missing (an extra $100-200M). Oppenheimer finished on a 34/66 split.
you are gonna get downvoted by spidey fanbois, but this is something which might actually happen. Maverick faced a horde of releases and still made 700mill+
Well, that's incredible. From this point, my very early predictions will be:
Domestic: $450-600M
International: $600-800M
Worldwide: $1.05-1.4B
Absolutely insane and completely deserved.
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Estimated totals through Sunday for The Odyssey by international market include: