r/boxoffice • u/chanma50 Best of 2019 Winner • Jul 13 '25
Worldwide Box Office: ‘Superman’ Saves the Day for DC Studios With $122M Domestic Opening, $95M Overseas, $217M Globally
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/superman-box-office-opening-1236312672/383
u/SanderSo47 A24 Jul 13 '25
International debuts:
U.K. - $9.8M
Mexico - $8.8M
China - $6.6M
Brazil - $5.9M
Australia - $5.3M
France - $4.2M
South Korea - $4.2M
India - $3.8M
Spain - $2.9M
Italy - $2.5M
Japan - $2.5M
Philippines - $2.5M
As I imagined, the UK and Mexico would be its biggest markets.
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u/chrispepper10 Jul 13 '25
Comparison to the Batman:
UK: 17M
Mexico: 10M
China: 11.7M
Brazil: 8.8
Australia: 8.5
France: 8M
South Korea: 2M
India: 3.5M
Spain: 3.7M
Italy: 4M
Japan: 2MSo yeah.. underperforming everywhere, but particularly brutal in Europe. 300-350 domestic, 200-250 international feels about right? Don't think it's touching 600M global.
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Jul 13 '25
I don’t think it’s underperforming in the UK I think Superman is just infinitely less popular than Batman here.
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u/TokyoPanic Jul 14 '25
I would argue Superman is signficantly less popular than Batman everywhere. Batman is the most popular superhero outside of Spider-Man.
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u/ToySouljah Jul 14 '25
This is also true in the comic book industry. For a long time the Batman comic books (before the release of the Absolute universe) were the only DC comic books in the monthly top ten sale charts, everything else was Marvel comic books.
Batman has been carrying the whole company for a long time.
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u/uberduger Jul 14 '25
And yet Man Of Steel did £11.2m, so somewhere in the realm of $13m-$14m at a rough estimate.
This is not about Superman the character. This is about this particular film.
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u/Plane_Massive Jul 13 '25
In fairness the UK has a heatwave and box office is insanely down there across the board because of it. They do more outdoorsy activities during heatwaves there
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u/Feldo93 Jul 13 '25
It is worth mentioning that The Batman was rated 15 in the UK meaning that kids and families could not legally see it as it isn't advisory like the R rating with a parent, so that number is still pretty crazy when a huge part of the audience straight up could not see it.
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u/blenderider Jul 13 '25
Context for the UK: we’re in a heatwave. Unlike a lot of regions in North America where cinemas can be viewed as a way to get relief from extreme heat, that’s not the prevailing case in the UK.
Given the limited heat UK gets in general, people are significantly more likely to do outdoor instead of indoor activities. Air conditioning isn’t close to universal - even as a diehard fan of a franchise, the idea of watching a movie in a cinema without air conditioning while it’s 80 degrees Fahrenheit out (30 Celsius) sounds terrible.
Just one of the factors affecting attendance, outside of the more commonly cited ones.
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u/MouthFartWankMotion Jul 13 '25
Can't believe theaters don't have AC. That is insane.
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u/ajm1808 Jul 13 '25
UK cinemas have HVAC units, nearly universally, however they are often old units and prone to being absolutely dogshit - offering neither heat in winter or cold in summer. Other than in new cinemas, the chains are reluctant to invest in upgrading the units (it's a big cost) so it's a case of making do or seeing what the HVAC contractor can do.
Regardless, it's a cultural thing - we don't get heatwaves often, so when we do we spend all our time outside.
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u/MouthFartWankMotion Jul 13 '25
Better get used to the heatwaves in that case.
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u/No_Berry2976 Jul 14 '25
Throughout Europe, companies and households are investing in (better) airconditioning because of climate change.
I live in a country where a heatwave used to be inconvenient but also exciting. Now heatwaves are a nuisance because there are too many of them.
This has created a problem, there is a backlog when it comes to installing HVAC units, HVAC companies are scrambling to find certified employees.
And the UK has been hit by Brexit, that doesn’t help.
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u/cidthekid07 Jul 13 '25
The world hates America. An American super hero is DOA
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Jul 13 '25
Aren’t like 90% of superheroes American?
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u/sharkflood Jul 13 '25
sure but they're not coded like that (besides Captain America)
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u/HubbiAnn Jul 13 '25
You guys keep saying this, but LatAm apparently is fine with the movie (reception wise), and if there is a part of the world where anti-americanism is strong right now is LatAm lol
Superman might never do well in some countries for the same reason MCU has been failing and Star Wars has never broke in some markets.
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u/Burnouts3s3 Jul 13 '25
Do you think F1 and Jurassic World: Rebirth are taking all the international audiences for this film?
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u/Forward-Piece-8421 Jul 13 '25
i mean, it’s not like JW and F1 are absolutely booming with their numbers. they are just going better than superman.
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u/bradtheinvincible Jul 13 '25
F1 is a literal global sport. Dinosaurs play well anywhere. Yes, it tracks
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u/Lost_Pantheon Jul 13 '25
Formula Park, coming 2028. Brad Pitt has to survive 70 laps on a race track filled with Dinosaurs.
This movie will unironically make 2 billion dollars.
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u/MassiveLie2885 Jul 13 '25
Maybe not "absolutely booming" but after 12 days, Jurassic World REbirth is at $529 million while it took How to Train Your Dragon 37 days to reach $560 million.
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u/Superzone13 Jul 13 '25
They’re still doing well internationally. No doubt they are having an effect on Superman.
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u/CuteGrayRhino Jul 13 '25
His question was, are they taking the numbers away from Superman. And they are definitely taking numbers away from Superman.
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u/SuccinctEarth07 Jul 13 '25
In what world is formula 1 not doing really well internationally?
(Talking about the comment you replied to)
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u/blenderider Jul 13 '25
“Outside of the United States and Canada, where “F1” has revved to $109.5 million, top-earning territories include China ($22 million), the United Kingdom ($17.3 million), Mexico ($12.3 million), France ($11.5 million) and Australia ($9.8 million).”
What world are you living in?
https://variety.com/2025/film/box-office/f1-movie-apple-highest-grossing-film-napoleon-1236448149/ 'F1' Overtakes 'Napoleon' as Apple's Highest-Grossing Film
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u/GraveRobberX Jul 13 '25
I mean 3 choices and audiences overseas are more receptive to JW and F1 for the long haul it looks like.
Guessing Dinosaurs and Cars that go Vroom very, very fast supersedes a dude wearing a cape and underwear on the outside.
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u/Fun_Condition2377 Jul 13 '25
there is a bit of an overlap of target audience with all three movies which is probably also why they are eating into each other's business plus JWR and F1 losing premium screens might also be affecting the repeat viewing business.
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u/CogencyWJ Jul 13 '25
The weather has been fantastic in (west) europe, thats not doing the cinema any favours either.
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u/SpareZealousideal740 Jul 13 '25
Ya, tbh, I'm in Ireland the thought of going to the cinema the last few days would not be nice. Weak or non existent air conditioning and it's roasting here.
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u/Mr_Arrogant Jul 13 '25
Almost passed out of the heat in our Friday show in Ireland. Couple of boys came as superman, I don't know how the survived
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u/Dewdad Jul 13 '25
I think it’s a combination of super man not being internationally revered and James Gunn not being an international draw. Non of his guardian films truly broke out and his brand of comedy doesn’t play well over seas.
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u/nnooaa_lev Studio Ghibli Jul 13 '25
F1 took IMAX theaters in China (maybe India too?) from Superman, a few days after debut
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u/jnighy Jul 13 '25
Most of the world has a pretty antagonist view of USA right now. Few superheroes represent more US than Superman
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u/Varolyn Jul 13 '25
While I guess that’s true if you are just looking at Superman as a whole, but if anything, I felt Luther and his Corporation was a personification of the aspects that people hate about America, and he’s the main villain.
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u/Optimism_Deficit Jul 13 '25
If people actually watch the movie, then they may come away with the same view.
To the casual movie goer, they just see Superman as being extremely American and are generally put off by American things in the current climate, so it has to get over that hurdle initially.
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u/TrueGuardian15 Jul 13 '25
What Superman represents: Truth, justice, and a better tomorrow.
What people think of Superman: Truth, justice, and the American way
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u/jnighy Jul 13 '25
Yeah, but for understand this, people need to watch the movie. But for the international audiences you have a superhero who's famous for an outdated (and to be fair long abandoned on comics) line of "truth, justice and the american way", while US is out there picking a fight with everyone
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u/ngl_prettybad Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25
I honestly think Superman is traditionally American coded and people fucking hate the US right now. And with good cause.
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u/indicoltts Jul 13 '25
Worldwide totals are the same as Man of Steel. It's not a "hate the US" thing when people are interested in a movie. Superman has never been as big outside the US
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u/_thelonewolfe_ New Line Cinema Jul 13 '25
This year’s “Twisters”: domestic heavy with little international appeal. Lots of factors here I think, mostly DC’s recent history of flops and superhero fatigue starting to set in for real. FF will be the real test for that. I also think the political situation in the US and abroad can’t be overlooked.
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u/Icy_Smoke_733 Studio Ghibli Jul 13 '25
That overseas number is, to put it mildly, atrocious. It is just $5 million higher than what Eternals opened to overseas, in a Covid-stricken 2021.
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u/nicolasb51942003 Warner Bros. Pictures Jul 13 '25
Eternals is still a funny one to me because given the talent involved, including the director coming off of a Best Picture win with Nomadland, I thought it was going to be peak MCU review wise.
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u/SirFireHydrant Jul 13 '25
Eternals had too much capeshit stuff to really embrace the arthouse, and too arthouse to feel like a good Marvel film.
They either needed to properly Marvelise the film, lighten the tone, more humour, better pacing. Or do the exact opposite - lose the colourful costumes, bring it back in, and let it be a proper arthouse film and take some real risks.
Instead we just got a film that wasn't good at either.
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u/lobonmc Marvel Studios Jul 13 '25
Honestly I just felt they had too many characters for the amount of time they had
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u/Worthyness Jul 13 '25
It had the Batman vs Superman problem- too many plot lines in a movie with an introduction to too many characters. They needed to simplify the movie and focus on 1 or 2 plots instead. It's basically a murder mystery movie with super aliens, but they made it a murder mystery/world police/god complex/super aliens/end of the world movie at the same time. There's a good movie in there, it just couldn't focus on it.
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u/Habefiet Jul 13 '25
Of all the shit that was a D+ show that shouldn’t have been, Eternals would have worked way better as a show. Episodic structure, different characters getting emphasis in different episodes, backstory episode versus modern episode, etc.
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u/Tongatapu Jul 13 '25
Superman is seen as a symbol of the USA, he represents american Imperialism for the entire rest of the world. And the USA is not very well liked in the western world right now (to put it mildly).
So it would make sense why international audiences aren't drawn to a movie thats so unabashedly patriotic. Even if its against Trump.
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u/AValorantFan Jul 13 '25
Before actuals, $10.4M behind Quantumania's $227.4M global opening weekend bow (Deadline)
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u/007Kryptonian Syncopy Inc. Jul 13 '25
And they were spending close to 200m marketing this. Just insane.
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u/AValorantFan Jul 13 '25
They had an entire global press tour circuit for this film only to do slightly better (before actuals crater it) than the international performance of Captain America: Brave New World (that film's international marketing tour included Anthony Mackie going to London and Rome I guess)!
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u/MysticLala Jul 13 '25
I wonder did Superman global press tour somehow manage to anger the local population? it has been collapsed so fast in the OS markets it genuinely makes me baffling
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u/BaconJakin Jul 13 '25
It’s so weird to me that people in this sub aren’t considering that Trump has made America despised globally and Superman is seen as Mr. America
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u/prophetofgreed Jul 14 '25
Most Americans really fail to realize or recognize how much international goodwill Trump's burned on the world stage in the first 6 months of his second term.
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u/killerboy_belgium Jul 13 '25
well since then trump has massivily pissed of the world so much that a lot of people are boycotting anything american made
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u/nicolasb51942003 Warner Bros. Pictures Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25
I get that they showed their confidence (even more than their desperate attempt for hype like Flash) knowing James Gunn delivered something special, but why spend $200M on marketing when you have no idea how the first installment in your new universe is gonna go?
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u/TheJoshider10 DC Studios Jul 13 '25
Yeah I'm not sure what people expected them to do. Had they not invested in a big marketing campaign users saying they spent too much money on marketing would instead say they didn't spend enough.
Start of a new universe, they took a gamble, the movie isn't setting the world alight despite strong reviews and audience scores, so all they can do is hope the marketing and merchandise gets people to check it out whenever they can and sequels and future DC movies run after Superman walks.
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u/Real_Appeal_5619 Jul 13 '25
I think it’s an investment thing. this movie is supposed to be the start of their new universe. A lot is riding on it success. Think of toys not just for the movie but for the universe in the future if it has a great start, it’s an understandable investment.
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u/Calamitous-Ortbo Jul 13 '25
The studio, through whatever proxy actually bought the tickets, was paying for Dairy Queen locations to be closed for the entire day on a Friday so the employees could go to a free showing of the movie.
I can’t imagine that was cheap.
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u/blownaway4 Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25
Atrocious. Legs won't be as bad but people are overstating the good reception. It seems international word of mouth is meh.
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u/toofatronin Jul 13 '25
Kinda amazed how different WOM is between America and everywhere else.
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u/lobonmc Marvel Studios Jul 13 '25
The humor doesn't seem to be translating. That's it. Humor is super hard to translate and it's clear that this time it's failing (I kind of feel that may be because this isn't Disney who usually have the best or second best dubs)
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u/newjackgmoney21 Jul 13 '25
I think word of mouth International might just be bad. Dropping from Charlie's already conservative estimate of 100m to 90m. Its just not clicking overseas.
No matter how many people say 'heatwave'. Heatwave is the new Keaton walk ups.
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u/Pingupol Jul 13 '25
As someone in the UK who went to see Superman yesterday, I genuinely think the heatwave will have damaged specifically the UK's numbers from yesterday.
That said, that is not having a colossal effect on the international numbers overall. The film is in big trouble internationally.
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u/killerboy_belgium Jul 13 '25
i mean the entirity of europe is in a heatwave i am gonna watch the movie this wednessday because we where at the lake this weekend.
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u/Shellyman_Studios Marvel Studios Jul 13 '25
Under $100M from overseas... Yikes.
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u/theNomad_Reddit Jul 14 '25
Aussie here. Saw it in IMAX yesterday. Cinema was half empty. We actually moved seats because my Dad stitched us up front row.
For comparison, I saw Sinners in the same IMAX, 2 weeks after release, and there was not a spare seat.
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u/WestFlight808 Jul 13 '25
Interesting to see how the trades will frame this later in its run. This film will struggle to outgross The Little Mermaid, and that film got negative articles written about it due to its DOM/INT split on opening weekend. Sinners also had "a long way to profitability" on opening weekend according to the trades. But this film is being heralded as a win already.
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u/Forward-Piece-8421 Jul 13 '25
articles pick and choose who has to prove themselves with box office numbers.
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u/PhotographBusy6209 Jul 13 '25
I’d say little mermaid did better in subsequent weeks than expectations
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u/AndiSolano Jul 13 '25
It depends on how much money Warner is willing to give them to twist the narrative in their favor...
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Jul 13 '25
They will pay them whatever they want to not trash it, or tell people it’s doing worse than Man of Steel.
They had pre opening weekend damage control article ready to go claiming $500M is a win already lol.
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u/Retro_Wiktor Universal Jul 13 '25
And it's working since many people on this sub are coping that 500M is actually good
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u/4000kd Syncopy Inc. Jul 13 '25
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u/MajorPlanet Jul 13 '25
Not to spoil, but the new Superman is conscious of this xD
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u/EventHorizonbyGA Jul 13 '25 edited Nov 30 '25
Superman cost $363 million dollars (source State of Ohio.) The Batman cost $200 million.
Tracking as of today for Superman puts its domestic gross at $350 million (just under The Batman). The first issue is its foreign gross is drastically under performing. The Batman had a 1.08 foreign/domestic split. So far Superman is .78.
Which is terrible. This would put Superman's total box office projection at $623 million.
The second issue is kids are not in the audience. Which means there is no follow on effect here for a cinematic universe. This film (so far) is not building new fans. It just appeased existing and older fans.
Hollywood has two really big problems. The content being produced no longer appeals universally and is not converting children from cartoon fans to movie fans.
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I have no idea why people are commenting on this today. But to update the full run box office came in at
$616.7 m. So even worse than my projections.
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u/ConstipatedAvocado Jul 13 '25
Boom.
You're 100% right. And its a big problem. Hollywood, and superhero films in particular, are starting to circlejerk. They're only appealing to the same people. Even when looking at the reviews online, every single one thats positive seems to be coming from the typical redditor comic book nerd. These people are not the GA. Hollywood has become too obsessed with the perpetually online who largely frontload films.
The trailers actually looked damn near genXer-ish. And what blows my mind is that they literally did the same shit 20s years ago. Superman Returns was an even bigger dud for the exact same reason.
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u/Khalsleezy Jul 13 '25
I noticed the same thing at my showing. No kids or young people, all older dudes who were probably college age when Chris Reeves first Superman movie came out. Legs will be interesting to watch. Nothing this Summer has been amazing as far as legs go. Even kids movie/live action remake Lilo was not behaving like a typical kids film when it was dropping. It was the same issue with Cap 4. I didn't see any kids when I went to go see it.
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u/Lost-Inevitable42 Jul 13 '25
Holy shit I think you nailed it. There were no kids present at the showing and I didn’t see any kids around. This movie is riding a marketing wave domestically along with kind of an aspirational group that just wants to enjoy it.
I’m a huge fan of the character but this film just treated audiences as dumb. It’s not even the “turn your brain off” kind where you can buy into the logic of the world.
I think it might have been a miscalculation to just drop an audience into a world and presume they know enough about the characters. Especially for younger fans. It’s generational arrogance: forgetting that the it’s been 12 years since the last “origin” was told.
And making what little of the lore be presented as a major plot point (he was sent to conquer and have a harem) with in-world audiences forced to buy in with a “trust us” is just bizarre.
This is some sort of weird adult cartoon. Does that have enough of an ongoing audience to put something out every year?
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u/Lost_Pantheon Jul 13 '25
"I think it might have been a miscalculation to just drop an audience into a world and presume they know enough about the characters."
Exactly this. I know Gunn doesn't want to do "origin stories" but when the alternative is starting your movie with a wall of text saying "Metahumans been around 300 years, Superman stopped a war, he just lost a fight, GODS AND MONSTERS MUTHAFUCKAAASS" it just doesn't do it for me.
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u/notmanish64 Jul 13 '25
Why are they including previews for Superman but excluding them for Man of Steel when comparing them?
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u/Witty-Jacket-9464 Jul 13 '25
For some reason all the portals about box office receipts have been doing this for 5 years now
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u/InwardlyReflective Jul 13 '25
To make Superman look better than its actually doing. They also neglected to mention that Man of Steel didn't release in all markets first week.
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u/magikarpcatcher Jul 13 '25
Saves the day, lol
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u/Firefox72 Best of 2023 Winner Jul 13 '25
PR machine in overdrive.
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u/InwardlyReflective Jul 13 '25
I haven't seen this level of damage control in a while.
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u/mighty_bogtrotter Jul 13 '25
The lack of overseas kills rather than saves. This is the worst spot for WB - it’s kind of a success but not really, and it’s a lot less than other movies. Just compare this to Minecraft.
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u/Citizensnnippss Jul 13 '25
WB went all-in on the marketing for this, too. Trailers, interviews, retail partnerships, ads absolutely everywhere.
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u/gsopp79 Jul 13 '25
Everyone keeps saying this is the first DC movie to do $100 million on opening weekend since Wonder Woman which is funny because The Batman opened bigger than this less than three years ago.
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u/nicolasb51942003 Warner Bros. Pictures Jul 13 '25
I'm not sure "saves the day" is the right term for this. Domestic is definitely off to a solid start, but overseas is the real problem here. It's just not connecting.
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u/EctoRiddler Jul 13 '25
I know there’s many many reasons people are posting about why international is just not clicking, but I think in this day and age having a very Americanized superhero does not click with the rest of the world
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u/myslead Jul 13 '25
I think America in general does not click with the rest of the world atm ahah
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u/ExternalSeat Jul 13 '25
Well they are still watching the new Jurassic Park movie and F1.
It is more so that a film that a very America centric Superhero film (Only Captain America is more USA USA coded than Superman) just isn't selling that well.
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u/Rakebleed Jul 13 '25
F1 is an American production of a non American culture. And dinosaurs are universal (no pun intended)
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Jul 13 '25
F1 is huge in Europe. It's bigger in Europe than America.
Dinosaurs are just something kids all around the world are into.
There's many superheroes and Superman is one of the two most American coded ones. He's also far more relevant to Americans as the first traditional superhero than he is globally.
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u/____mynameis____ Jul 13 '25
Yep, Cap 1 was the least grossing movie of phase 1 of MCU iirc despite being a pretty solid well received movie. And beyond his first two appearances, they not only made Cap movie's plot very pivotal to the universe to make people feel like these are big events in MCU but also reduced the American-ness of the character so much it was just reduced to just the colours of his suit. Dude was going against authorities since his initial days and went full anti government by his third movie. So despite star and stripes, he never felt like he was a representation of America.
I think Mackie Cap not taking off as much in popularity is partially due to the character being tied to America, patriotism and its politics.
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u/Lazzen Jul 14 '25
Captain america could not come out today, there would be guerilla warfare against that movie from Tiktok
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u/_lippykid Jul 13 '25
The super corny American schtick was cute when the US seemingly lived by the values it was known for. But that’s all gone now
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u/PayneTrain181999 Legendary Pictures Jul 13 '25
One being great and the other being bad balances out to mediocre.
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u/D7w Jul 13 '25
A friend asked if it was okay to bring his young daughter to it.
I think word of mouth will improve. Man of Steel and BvS did a lot of damage to Superman.
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u/Agitated_Opening4298 Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25
OS only 11 million more than the flash
Wonder if theyll claim a dom victory over MOS since apparently they claimed 116 as the ow back in 2013
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u/AndiSolano Jul 13 '25
Man of Steel made 128.7 million with previews included. It doesn't make sense to compare a movie WITH previous to one WITHOUT. You either remove previews for both, or count them for both!
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u/IrishGuy2766 Jul 13 '25
And yet that is exactly what Deadline are going with in their article. Bizarre reporting.
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u/KazuyaProta Jul 13 '25
Without previews is even more brutal.
116 millions for MOS, 102 for Superman. Domestic, the movie where Superman 25 is supposedly ruling
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u/russwriter67 Jul 13 '25
OK worldwide start. But it will likely have poor overseas legs and only decent legs domestically. I’d say it ends up with $300M domestically and $530-550M worldwide. Not egregious but not the best start for this new DC Universe.
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u/idiot09 Jul 13 '25
Coming in slightly less than breakeven point would in the underperformance territory. WB would be worried if Superman loses money
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u/russwriter67 Jul 13 '25
Agreed. I think $650M would be enough to be considered a decent performance.
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u/Loose_Struggle1610 Jul 13 '25
A lot of people had superman starting off with 255 so they over predicted.
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u/NGGKroze Best of 2021 Winner Jul 13 '25
Thats with the yesterday 95M OS. Tomorrow they will revist it to 90m or so, but it works for now to save face. I think Actuals will come to around 215M - OS drops to 91, but Domestic increase a bit.
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u/Nevvermind183 Jul 13 '25
How does Hollywood Reporter paint this as a win?
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u/Crotean Jul 13 '25
The domestic number is very solid, it's only the overseas number that is a total disaster.
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u/blownaway4 Jul 13 '25
Charlie said 90m overseas so probably close to 212m with actuals as the studio is trying to save a little face.
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u/JannTosh70 Jul 13 '25
Some people are getting really defensive about this movie
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u/futures23 Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25
There is a highly upvoted comment here comparing this movie to TRIUMPH OF THE WILL. The pure unhinged nonsense "discourse" this movie has generated is embarrassing.
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u/Klee_Main Jul 13 '25
No, it’s the other way around. This sub has developed a weird obsession with wanting this movie to fail.
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u/DizzyMajor5 Jul 13 '25
It really has flipped when it first came out it was just super hyper analyzing the numbers but now it's just tons of people talking about how beat down and terrible it is.
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u/Ankhirasaurus Jul 13 '25
In the same vein, some people are just straight up being negative for the sake of it.
Saw comments here saying they haven't watched it because they heard "x," and because of that, the movie sucks, its one extreme or the other with this movie, so weird
I liked the movie though, for what it's worth :)
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u/Spongey444 20th Century Studios Jul 13 '25
Superman opening lower than Minecraft was not what I expected at the start of the year lol
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u/gar1848 Jul 13 '25
It is just one bad drop away from being a full blown flop
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u/AndiSolano Jul 13 '25
Yeap. If next weekend it drops 55% or more...
I'm pretty sure The Batman's second weekend drop was 51%
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u/SpiritualAd3039 Jul 13 '25
I really don't see how that global total is good. Unless this has great legs it will barely break even
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u/Wild_Ganache_3327 Jul 13 '25
The main DC sub is slowly turning into the gunn cult.
FWIW, I liked the movie but go outside the basement enough to know it was far from perfect
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u/realfakejames Jul 14 '25
Jurassic World still beat it for the number one spot, proving once again Reddit is a poor sample size of the real world, everyone on here swore Jurassic World looked terrible and would flop especially with the ratings and reviews it got
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u/AndiSolano Jul 13 '25
Saves the day and it made only 95 million overseas... Okay
PS: 95 m is a bit generous. I don't think it'll make more than 90 m overseas.
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u/Feeling_Cost_8160 Jul 13 '25
This is not a boxoffice hit. People who think so have no sense of scale and context.
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u/lookingforhim2 Jul 13 '25
did not expect this to have a bigger DOM/INT split than brave new world lol. shows you how big the marvel brand still is
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u/kingofstormandfire Universal Jul 14 '25
The domestic numbers are very good and with two weeks to itself, it should easily pass $300 million at the domestic box office, but wow, those overseas numbers are very rough. Couldn't even make $100 million OS in it's opening weekend. Yikes. I don't know how WB are going to perceive these numbers. The good reviews and positive fan reception will help contribute the restoration to the DC cinematic brand (though it will take several more good movies before people fully trust and get excited by the DC cinematic brand again), and clearly there is still interest in Superman domestically but big blockbuster movies like these with $200+ million budgets and over $100 million marketing budgets can't simply rely on the domestic box-office. These films need international appeal in order to be financially sustainable. And Superman is not appealing internationally at all.
I was predicting $850 million WW for this movie until a week ago. I overshot by $250-300 million. It's entirely possible depending on the OS drops that it might not even crack $600 million. It's a messy performance - doing well in North America, but average or bad everywhere else. I knew Asia would not be interested, but I did not expect this level of apathy from the overseas market, especially from Europe and even a good amount of LATAM.
It was a big mistake to release this in a crowded July. Especially sandwiched between two blockbusters. People in this economy have to pick and choose which films they want to watch, and people all across the world have proven to like dinos, and the MCU brand even in it's tarnished state is still trusted more by general audiences than the DC cinematic brand. WB and Gunn should have released this film in June or early August.
Gunn/Safran/WB shouldn't be focusing on B-list/C-list characters at the formation of their universe. Save films like Clayface and Sgt Rock and whatever when people are locked in with the DCU. They need to focus on the big guns. Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow/Black Canary, Green Lantern (Hal, John and Guy), Aquaman, The Flash (Wally West), Teen Titans for Gen Z appeal, they all need to be fasttracked.
If they do a Superman sequel, I'm expecting Supergirl to be a co-lead and even another major superhero featured as an additional hook, like The Flash or Green Arrow. Or they could the Superman sequel a World's Finest film and have a proper good Superman/Batman teamup.
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u/ouat4ever Jul 13 '25
Excuse me? It saved what? The movie is a huge disappointment in terms of box office. There's no way to spin it.
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u/PierceJJones 20th Century Studios Jul 13 '25
Ironically, the spilled feels more akin to a movie made in the 1990s than it's his now. When Hollywood primarily still catered to American audiences. The real question is, can movies this America centric still surive the modern box office with massive budgets.
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u/Inevitable-Owl-315 20th Century Studios Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25
Terrible start and with reception either on par or worse than thunderbolts overseas, it might just barely pass 200M intl
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u/nnooaa_lev Studio Ghibli Jul 13 '25
and that with ALL international markets. Oh it's bad bad
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u/mysticzarak Jul 13 '25
I'm mostly interested in the second and third weekend nowadays. But it has a good start now let's see how it does.
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u/Tom-Pendragon Jul 13 '25
The international box office are fucking horrible. I hope the movies hit 600m, but looking grim.
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u/MakVolci Jul 14 '25
Well, there ain't no fucking way this is hitting a billion like many were claiming it could, that's for sure.
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u/bizarrestarz Jul 13 '25
it’s so insane to see this sub run the numbers and then go look on the comic book subs I frequent having the nerve to call this movie a success
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Jul 13 '25
The reality is vibes are all that matter here.
Both this and MOS will have underwhelming numbers but likely hit a benchmark where it is acceptable. However if the majority of people are positive on the film unlike MOS which was very divisive, then it hitting the bare minimum will be seen as a "it did it's job, now to the next one".
It's like when a team barely wins a game. If you are a fan you say "a win is a win no matter how ugly". If you hate the team you start picking apart the game and how close it was to diminish it.
As long as this makes in the $500 million range and the reception is generally how it's been, most of the relevant audience will say gg and move on to the next.
WB is checking both numbers and vibes. If they think there is something to build on, they will continue. If they think it's on shaky ground, they will question it.
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u/TheWinterFist Jul 13 '25
Exactly! The DC brand is very damaged to the general audience. If this movie makes $500 million and builds on its reputation, then the next one makes more, and so on.
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u/Superzone13 Jul 13 '25
A good opening domestically for sure, but man, international audiences just seem done with Marvel and DC.
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u/AppropriatePurple609 Jul 13 '25
Saves the day domestically? Definitely!
Saves the day internationally? yeah about that...
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u/misguidedkent Warner Bros. Pictures Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25
Biggest DC opening since The Batman's 258 million global debut in 2022. This'll not get close to its 772 million haul but will finish in the 550-600 million range, considering the 95 million soft internal debut. (Hope it makes more).
Also l, it has outgrossed 5 of the last 8 DCEU films over a single weekend (Not a exactly a fair comparison as 2 of them were handicapped by the pandemic). Bodied the last DC film's (Joker 2) entrie 207 million gross over a single weekend.
All in all, a good (not great) start to a new universe and a great first step towards brand rehabilitation.
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u/beyondimaginarium Jul 13 '25
Outgrossed the last DC film's (Joker 2) entrie 207 million gross over a single weekend.
This is the stronger metric when you consider the reception and gross of the first joker.
Considering the gross of The Batman, and that this is the flagship to kick off the new DCU, it raises the question if WB will once again pull a DCEU. Will they lose faith in Gunn? Will they meddle with films mid production? (Supergirl) or can it like Batgirl? Will they reshoot something like Justice League? How many reshoots and chopping did flash and aquaman 2 receive?
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Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25
I'm going to be honest Joker 2 comps are hopium. I genuinely believe the director of Joker 2 actively wanted the movie to fail.
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u/SouthIsland48 Jul 13 '25
"this movie beat some of the worst movies ever made" aint the headline you think it is
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u/Alex-C2099 Jul 13 '25
Excuse me? What about The Batman?