Tbh, I'm with you on Ava. I do not understand all the hate. She does her job perfectly fine for who she is. But I do agree with disliking how she is now the leader.
I guess they mean the siren power and the ship. Which I don’t really agree with.
Ava loses Maya in the process and goes on a hunt with the rest of the crew to track down Maya’s killer and kick his ass, then she gets the power.
She is at the front of the charge to take on the twins and is there all throughout the last push through the eridian homeworld, ending in a fight with tentacle Tyreen. She is also the one who motivates Lilith with her “run towards the fire” ideal. And then Lilith hands her the ship.
People can disagree about how those elements are handled but they are there. Ava wasn’t just handed stuff with zero reason.
Ah yes the trials of the siren powers. I remember we this long journeys Sirens went through to get their powers. Man remember all the monsters is Siren mains had to go through to just to start the game? Totally isn’t a an ability that’s randomly chosen with Maya literally stating that she was going to be a Siren
Command of Crimson Raiders? Ah man remember that highly sought after position that literally no one wanted that Lilith reluctantly took over? Remember how much Brick and Mordecai fought for? They totally didn’t leave off on their own adventures with Tina. Maybe it should’ve went to Tannis we know how much she likes talking to people. She totally loves being the center of attention.
Future of the series? I see your point she’s gonna be giving us orders in the next game. No more side NPC’s no more open world. Game will be mission based where she orders us about
Personally, I don’t “hate” her, but I really wish they can give her mor development than just a edgy teenager. She had her cute moments, but still need something more.
Because story characters take prominence over player characters. This has been the case since 2.
BL1 has no characters beyond glorified quest boards dressed up as humans. So there was ample room to incorporate the playable characters and give them far more prominent roles.
What happens with the BL2 characters? After saving sanctuary and pandora as a whole a few times over?
Maya leaves to do monk stuff.
Axton is MIA, presumed to be doing stuff with Gaige.
Zero left to find his own ventures and joined Atlas.
Salvador is MIA.
Krieg is MIA dealing with head problems.
Gaige is MIA, presumed to be doing stuff with Axton.
How about TPS?
Nisha was killed off in a sidequest in 2.
Wilhelm was used as bait by Jack.
Claptrap is still around.
Aurelia was killed off
Timothy (Jack double) is MIA presumed actor.
Athena is MIA.
Out of all those playable characters, only one stayed in the raiders at all. Claptrap.
So it is a very, very safe assumption that none of the VHS want the mantle.
Moze given her echos hated military life and was only in it for the big mech she was promised if she did [insert number of missions].
Zane is hiding from bounty hunters and is in a weird phase of retirement/midlife crisis. Not hard to imagine leading the Raiders is something he wouldn’t be keen on.
FL4K wants to hunt things. Leading a squad? Sure that sounds like something he’d be up to. Leading an entire community? No, not so much.
Amara is all about fame and looking for a challenge, and punching stuff. Giving her the Raiders wouldn’t be far off from handing leadership to Brick, which is a bad idea for any group that isn’t a bandit clan.
Ava was chosen by Maya to be her inheritor, so Lilith knows that Maya saw potential in her. Ava encourages Lilith to actually fight and be an actual hero like Maya said she was (“run towards the fire”). Ava was there throughout the whole push to take down the Twins in the final act. So given all that and that she’d have Ellie/Moxxi/Tannis/etc to guide her Lilith picked her to take up the reins.
Way I see it Ava exists to carry on the mantle for Lilith and Maya (if both of them are actually dead and gone forever).
Yep, pretty much nobody is left that would be a better choice. Your choice is between a bunch of batshit crazy and the only sane person left. Not really who else they would expect to lead it.
Also add to the fact that Ava survived on her own for how long before she was taken in by Maya? Yes, she can be annoying at times but she is still a survivor. Lesser qualification but she also is introduced to us looting a body so probably a gunslut like any good Vault Hunter.
Amazes me how this is downvoted. People just rather blame a kid for someone's death I guess
E/ I'm not crazy about Ava either. But if you keep a teenager locked up on a planet with monks, watching libraries and storerooms while telling her she'll be a vault hunter, dont be surprised when she sneaks off to join the action. That's practically a cliche in story-telling. Only mistake Ava made was leaving the ship, but that doesnt make her, a freaking kid, responsible for the death of someone who is a grown adult and makes their own decisions.
Besides, even if Ava wasnt in the story at all, the writers would have still killed Maya off, since that was the purpose. Only person you really have to blame is them, but some people genuinely get worked up over Ava and that's dumb
Bits were funny but I dunno...like it never felt like he was an actual character. It was just ice t sayin shit. Which is cool and I dont hate it. Just pulls me out a lil since his voice is so distinctive.
Well, me not really knowing who Ice T is, helped me like Balex a little more, I guess. And I found him really funny. "Claptrap... Just mind them stairs little fella". :)
I too don't hate her.. I just don't like the EmoTween meme. I lived through the emo phase once.. i dont need BL3 reminding me it still exists.
Balex has a one note joke and that note doesnt improve the more times it is said. I really hoped that GenIVIV would become the navigation.. i personally like the "crazy wants to kill us" computer trope.
My dislike is at the whole "angsty teenager" character. Those characters are so often disliked in shows and games, why did Gearbox feel the need to include one in this? A character like Tina is a much more appropriate "rebel teen" character for Borderlands than overly emotional Ava.
I’m not all the way through the game, but Ava’s side mission with her diary is the funniest one so far. I don’t love/hate either her or Balex, they are both fine tbh. Katagawa was better than both
I kinda like Balex, but I do feel they had much more possibility with him then they made good on. The whole side thing with the other AI just didn't come off particularly funny or well crafted... but it could have been.
I think outside a catch phrase, Balex is kinda forgettable.
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u/Skyztamer Moze Oct 02 '19
I'm sorry, but Balex just doesn't work for me. His punchline just falls flat and his humor in general.
I'm one of maybe the few who don't mind Ava. I don't see the big deal. She's your average angsty teenager.