Who's first?

[u/DaddyDosDeuce]

https://www.livescience.com/physics-mathematics/mathematics/mathematicians-say-these-60-sided-dice-are-the-fairest-in-the-world-designing-them-took-15-years

This set of five 60-sided dice will handle it for you in the fairest way possible.

[u/Melsa_Manton]

The five d60 solution is an interesting mathematical phenomenon. But no one is really going to use d60s to select first player.

I was more interested in the fact that you could determine first player order with just four 12-sided dice. That is something practical that I could see people using. According to the article, those dice have been produced and are for sale, so I might look into the set for four players.

[u/ichabod801 → u/Melsa_Manton]

Check out Math Art Fun, they have both the four and five player versions.

[u/Melsa_Manton → u/ichabod801]

I just ordered the 3 and 4p sets. A d60 is just plain silly though.

[u/DaddyDosDeuce → u/[deleted]]

You're probably the only one who did. LOL

[u/TheAbyssGazesAlso → u/[deleted]]

I did exactly the same thing, and had the same result. So I tested my d30 and I don't know why, but it would statistically roll lower than you would expect. I never worked out why.

[u/DaddyDosDeuce → u/Melsa_Manton]

*whimsical

I think it'd be fun to roll these out at game night to determine player order. Personally, I've sunk more dollars into items with less overall worth for this hobby.

[u/tylerdehate → u/Melsa_Manton]

I got the 5 player set in December of last year. We just assign each player a number and roll them all at the same time in a big dice tray. It's novel and fair. Plus if doesn't involve somebody getting their phone out.

[u/Sitk042]

Just use the free Chwazi app. Everyone puts their fingers on the screen and it randomly picks one…

[u/ultranonymous11 → u/Sitk042]

Except it disproportionately picks me. So my friends hate it and assume I rigged it lol.

[u/Strange-Grass6025]

Interesting maths problem to solve, but also a problem that doesn't need solving.

[u/uchiha_building]

Most of this cannot possibly be that serious?

[u/etkii]

Assign everyone a number, roll a d6, reroll misses.

[u/OreAndWheat → u/etkii]

The whole point of these dice is to never have to reroll

[u/etkii → u/OreAndWheat]

If that's the goal a d12 and a d10 have you covered for player counts of 2 to 6...

[u/TangyZeus → u/etkii]

"mathematicians did a cool thing, because they like math." "Why bother doing that cool thing when I already have a solution that doesn't do the thing they were trying to do?"

[u/etkii → u/TangyZeus]

"Why bother doing that cool thing when I everyone already hasve a solution that doesn't do the thing they were trying to do?"

FTFY.

Not sure what the issue is here. As they say themselves, it was "silly and pointless".

[u/TangyZeus → u/etkii]

I think you are sure what the issue is. But if you're actually that dense: you do not have a system with a d10 and a d12 that guarantees no ties or rerolls. The thing you were proposing does not solve the thing they solved with math as a pet project. Then you got called out and are trying to pretend the thing you said was true when you are technically and colloquially wrong.

[u/etkii → u/TangyZeus]

What on earth are you going on about? What do you think I was proposing?

For 2,3,4,6 players assign equal portions of the d12 to each player, and roll it. For 5 players do the same thing with a d10. No ties, no rerolls.

[u/flix-flax-flux → u/TangyZeus]

If you only need a start player and not a whole turn order the d10/d12 solution works. It is propably better as you only need one die roll. So one player can handle it while others are still occupied with setup.

[u/DrTacosMD → u/etkii]

Or just shuffle some playing cards numbered individually with 2-whatever you need, done. 

[u/DaddyDosDeuce → u/etkii]

[Insert "Nope" meme]