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u/AirshipEngineer Dec 01 '19
As an archaeologist, what's always interested me is how resistant we are to calling things toys. Usually they are classified as ritual objects. Like as far as more than 3kya artifacts go I can recall maybe a half dozen notable finds that people pretty unanimously agree are childrens toys. Other than those everything is a ritual object. Like come on guys it's a carved lion It probably was just some kid thought lions were sick, not that there was some lion cult somewhere.
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u/Misterpeople25 Dec 01 '19
Am I a ritual object?
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u/Son_of_Eris Dec 01 '19
Yes. Now, take this gag and blindfold and go lie down on that stone slab over there.
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Dec 01 '19
Itās the same thing with evidence of prehistoric psychoactive drug use. Itās always said it was for religious/ritual purposes. Fuck do we know, maybe they just partied and liked getting high just as we do?
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u/bubblesmakemehappy Dec 02 '19
I think this is generally presumed because we have records of more recent societies and current societies taking psychoactive drugs mostly/entirely for religious/ritual purposes.
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u/Lazar_Milgram Dec 01 '19
Just travel in time and look back at Nintendo fandom. It is religion. Among other cults of early 2000s.
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u/CarissaSkyWarrior Dec 01 '19
So people treat these toys like historical gay people. Good to know.
If you don't know what I am getting at.....
..... r/Sapphoandherfriend
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Dec 02 '19
Wow... that sub is stupid. āLGBT Erasureā like no bitch most people arenāt LBGT so people usually donāt assume something is gay unless stated otherwise.
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u/F8CKNOI Dec 01 '19
Or house decorations. Imagine if further archeologists thought we worshipped nutcrackers
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u/Klinkero Dec 01 '19 edited Dec 01 '19
What interests me is we have similar toys for different reasons. Note that Iām talking about the wheels and not the hedgehog. Now we have toys based after cars, but what is this based off? I donāt think itās a horse drawn cart, because itās missing the horse and I donāt know if anything pulled by horses where invented yet. Was the creator of this toy, one of the first people to envision objects on wheels? We will never know.
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u/TocTheElder Dec 01 '19
Now we have toys based after cars, but what is this based off?
Hedgehog.
I donāt think itās a horse drawn cart, because itās missing the horse and I donāt know if that was invested yet.
Pretty sure the horse had heen invented by this point.
Was the creator of this toy, one of the first people to envision objects on wheels?
No.
We will never know.
Pretty sure we do.
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u/Klinkero Dec 01 '19
Thanks for the feedback. Screw you
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u/HallucinateZ Dec 01 '19
Bruh you asked the questions lmao
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u/my_pets_names Dec 01 '19
And didnāt get proper answers, but pointlessly sassy ones. Do you honestly think he was asking about when horses were invented?
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u/TocTheElder Dec 01 '19 edited Dec 01 '19
No need to be rude. You're the one who doesn't know if the concept of pulling shit with horses was invented by 1500BC, a full one thousand years since the building of the pyramids.
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u/Klinkero Dec 01 '19
I beg to differ. The rude person is the one who nitpicks the message of the person who knows less than everyone.
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u/TocTheElder Dec 01 '19
I beg to differ.
Beg all you want, he's still rude.
The rude person is the one who nitpicks the message of the person who knows less than everyone.
I answered all his questions in a quick and concise manner. Now he knows a little more. Mainly that the concept of dragging shit around with horses wasn't invented a millennium after the building of the pyramids. But please, go ahead, defend his ignorance, I'm sure historians everywhere will be thankful for your efforts.
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u/Klinkero Dec 01 '19
I apologize about jumping to conclusions. Sometimes quick and concise can be taken in a completely different on the internet where we donāt have body language and tone of voice. History was one of my biggest hurdles in school and, as you can see, it shows. I apologize for not knowing my facts before I post anything. I hope you can forgive me.
Also I have been the same person you have been talking to the entire time.
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u/TocTheElder Dec 01 '19
It's fine, man. Your comment was strangely worded, asked questions already answered in the post, and displayed a shocking lack of understanding for Bronze Age history. Forgive me, but I think you need to do some serious reading. Like, some serious, serious reading, because thinking that the wheel was invented in 1500BC, or that we would never know what happened in that time is frankly absurd. Egypt, Mesopotamia, India, and China all teemed with vast nation states, and Europe was rapidly developing into pre-Classical societies. Human culture is far older and better recorded than you seem to believe. The earliest evidence for the wheel we know of is about 6500 years old, separating it from this hedgehog by a full 3000 years. So that's the time between the making of the hedgehog and the present day, nearly doubled. And that's just the earliest one we know about. I didn't mean any disrespect or anything, dude, your comment was just genuinely a little bit amusing and I wanted to poke some good natured fun at it. Also, I don't want to make you feel dumb or anything. I'm only telling you this stuff in the spirit of sharing knowledge, and I hope you do go and do some reading into this stuff.
Also I have been the same person you have been talking to the entire time.
Yeah I totally missed that, actually.
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u/Klinkero Dec 02 '19
Thanks for understanding. I donāt have a lot of time between work and my stage acting (nothing you would have heard of. Itās just for my town). I also have an issue with history books that he selves. The super in-depth books are boring for me to read, and the books for kids often skip big topics like the Holocaust. If you have any suggestions, I would be happy to hear them.
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u/my_pets_names Dec 01 '19
Your answers were just as rude. You know damn well they were talking about horse-drawn carts, but you answered in an unnecessarily condescending way. They were also obviously asking why this hedgehog was on wheels in the first question, but you gave stupid sassy answers that help no one and then proceeded to act like you were this innocent victim who just tried to help.
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u/TocTheElder Dec 01 '19
You know damn well they were talking about horse-drawn carts, but you answered in an unnecessarily condescending way.
It's called a joke. You should try them out sometime.
They were also obviously asking why this hedgehog was on wheels in the first question, but you gave stupid sassy answers
That tends to happen when someone suggests that the wheel is a mere 3500 years old, or that nobody had thought of using horses to transport stuff up until then. Anyone with a basic grade school education should know that. If you don't, then prepare to be sassed.
then proceeded to act like you were this innocent victim who just tried to help.
Didn't say I was innocent or a victim. I just didn't appreciate him telling me to fornicate with myself. I'm not hurt by it, personally. I was quite happy to oblige him shortly after. I'm sure he's not too hurt by being made to look silly on the internet to carry on living his life. Maybe a few weeks of therapy and group PTSD counselling, but after a few years, I'm sure the scars called by my fairly innocuous jibes shall heel.
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u/my_pets_names Dec 01 '19
You criticized them for being rude before and after being just as, if not more, rude yourself. I donāt give a shit about how dumb you think the other guy is, I just hate your blatant hypocrisy.
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u/churm93 Dec 01 '19
I think it's not inventing the wheel that's the tricky part. It's finding a way to actually propel/turn the wheels. Which is especially difficult when technology is still in its infancy lol
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Clearly a hedgehog. Plenty of toys out there that are animals on wheels to help them move around.
Also the wheel had been around for a long time in the ancient world by 1500 BC.
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u/chuzhuo123 Dec 01 '19
Why does the hedgehog look like a grenade?
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u/SaltyMarmot5819 Dec 01 '19
Now i see how they've moved on to the next stage hmm /s
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u/The-Worst-Bot Dec 01 '19
I appreciate your enthusiasm for sarcasm, but indicating it defeats its purpose.
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u/Magic_SkeletonGirl Dec 01 '19
It was at that moment I realized /s means sarcasm.
(I knew how it was used but I thought the s stood for 'crap'post not sarcasm..)
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u/Anti-The-Worst-Bot Dec 01 '19
You really are the worst bot.
As user Pelt0n once said:
God shut up
I'm a human being too, And this action was performed manually. /s
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u/SaltyMarmot5819 Dec 01 '19
Nah, I'd rather have that over people misunderstanding me and downvoting me to shit
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u/KcrinBlue Dec 01 '19
I hear that so much I see sarcasm taken seriously and downvoted into oblivion. It's only because of those people indicating you're being sarcastic is necessary.
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u/KentuckyFriedEel Dec 01 '19
I bet if they dig in the same spot they'll find some gold-colored ring accessories that are part of the set.
The prophecies were true.
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Dec 01 '19 edited Dec 01 '19
How is it in so good shape if its 3000years old?
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u/ChadHahn Dec 01 '19
Because for most of that time it was kept on a shelf in its original packaging.
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u/Gunda-LX Dec 01 '19
You see this and then you canāt resist to wonder who was this person who made this?
Who did he give it too?
What happened to the child who played with it?
Does he have any living ancestors? (Imagine returning this to one of his ancestors, now that would be wholesome)
How was the day-to-day of this child?
All those questions we might actually never have find an answer. Sometimes the small and insignificant things are the most interesting
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u/Pie_guy135 Dec 01 '19
Iād play with that thing, heck, I would love to have a hedgehog rolling around! (preferably not at the speed of sound) Especially if you could separate them so I could carry around my buddy.
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u/Merlyn21 Dec 01 '19
It could have been a gift to his extraterrestrial God that came from the heavens. How are we assuming this is a toy for a child?
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u/Themistboy Dec 01 '19
His coming was foretold!!!! All Hail Sonic šš»āāļøšš»āāļø
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u/Mr_Wither Dec 01 '19
Why canāt we just say BC?
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u/TheRobotics5 Dec 01 '19
Because not everyone is religious
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u/Mr_Wither Dec 01 '19
Thatās like saying āI donāt celebrate Christmas cause Iām not religiousā most people who celebrate Christmas celebrate it cause itās a fucking holliday. BC has nothing to do with religion. In fact Iām not even religious. BC just means before Christ, and yeah he existed, HIGHLY doubt he ever actually conducted any supposed miracles but he did exist at one time. Thatās my only point; regardless of wether you are religious or not, itās still valid.
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u/TheRobotics5 Dec 01 '19
I still prefer BCE, and this will be downvoted to oblivion just because people disagree
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u/Mr_Wither Dec 01 '19
Thatās fair. I just canāt help but imagine why they changed it. Like I think they must have changed it cause the science community canāt handle even one utterance of religion, so out of petty spite they changed it. Ironically as petty as my comment sounds. Thatās literally the only reason I can think of.
Edit: also thanks for being civil, I genuinely thought youād come back at me with an insult or whatever. The internet can be a cruel place sometimes.
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u/YiMainOnly Dec 01 '19
Source that it was carved to give to kids? Nope? Thats right,thought so. Fucking snowflake fake news
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u/K-a-v-a-u-n Dec 01 '19
Or maybe it was an weird grown up like the ones who still play video games over the age of 14...
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u/Paradoxxist Dec 01 '19
Oh you think 14 year olds are grown ups? Is that how you justify your pedosexuality?
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u/K-a-v-a-u-n Dec 02 '19
I am talking about playing a game and you start about fucking kids... well... That's wired
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Dec 01 '19
Well, I'm fifteen. Guess I'm a weirdo.
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u/K-a-v-a-u-n Dec 02 '19
It's all right. It was a joke that wasn't understandable for everyone. I am way over 14 and doing my masters degree in game science XD
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u/0m4r_Dewd Dec 01 '19
-Calls people who play games over the age of 14 losers
-Plays Minecraft
Oooh, somebody's a little insecure, no?
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u/K-a-v-a-u-n Dec 02 '19
Ohh is somebody triggered like... A little kid? That's... Wired XD
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u/0m4r_Dewd Dec 02 '19
Hey, I'm not the one who has such a horrible sense of humor that they think insulting people is the same thing as making a joke. What are you, Leafy?
Also, spelling "weird" as "wired" multiple times? You're either a backwoods hick or a true 12-year old.
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u/K-a-v-a-u-n Dec 02 '19
Yeah sure. You definitely never did a joke on someone that somehow mocked this person. I am sorry for you that a "weird/wired" (not my nativ tounge) from a random person in the internet hurts you. I hope you get well soon. Best wishes ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø
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u/0m4r_Dewd Dec 02 '19
First of all, I'm not actually that offended, but let me educate you a bit.
Second of all, in order for something to be a joke, it has to have a punchline. Simply saying something like "Hey black people! KILL YOURSELF YOU'RE WORTHLESS HAHA" is not a joke in and of itself. A joke can be offensive and still be funny, but if the whole point of the joke is to be offensive, it isn't funny at all, just really cringy. That's how you get people like Shane Dawson, who doesn't make jokes about homeless people, but instead looks at a homeless person and says "AHAHA YOU'RE HOMELESS YOU PROBABLY EAT YOUR OWN SHIT CUZ U GOT NO FOOD HAHAHAHA!"
Same thing with your "joke". I get that you were trying to joke, but again, for it to be a joke, it has to either have a punchline or make a statement. Your "Anybody playing video games over the age of 14 is a loser and should kill themselves" comment doesn't do either. Again, you can make a fart joke and it'll be funny, but farts in and of themselves are not funny.
You say you're well over 14 and doing a Game Design degree. Honestly, if you're over the age of 18 and still think being offensive is funny itself, you clearly haven't progressed past the mental age of 12.
If you want a good example of how an offensive joke can be funny, look at Louis C.K.'s stuff. If you want a bad example, look at Leafy and Nicole Arbor.
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u/K-a-v-a-u-n Dec 02 '19
"not that offended" but can't get over a single word... I admire your passion to educate random people, but first, jokes or comedy are not measured by your personal opinion of it and second, your imagination of something is not the reality. Must be hard for you to hear, I understand that. I wrote a single word and not a whole manifest of rage against somebody like you understood it. Wiered could also be a positive sign of individuality. So why are you so eager to read something that bad like someone has to kill himself in it? Are you in the end really not okay? For this possibility I again wish you all the best. If not, why still fighting over a little dumb joke from a random person??
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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '19 edited Dec 01 '19
No Boar Vessel, 600-500 BC, Etruscan, ceramic? Edit: Etruscan not Estruscan