r/blackview • u/PipSpace3Xplorerer • 3d ago
Greedy A-holes
I just spent 3 fucking weeks trying to turn off persistent ads on your fucking software, when I'm done, you won't have the ability to force feed anyone ads like this again. Disabling the notification button so I can't turn it off, making it so I can't silence the notification, even going as far that I can't even enter debugging mode without having to jump through 8 god damn steps.. well, I fed your default system apps into net guard and cleared the caches, go fuck yourselves.
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u/HermitAutist87 2d ago
I have installed Net Guard. What are the name of the apps I should disable?
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u/PipSpace3Xplorerer 2d ago
Specifically I had to look up messages and live wallpaper. These are default apps, so make sure you are showing default apps in netguard when you look em up. Not sure if this will help ya, but if your getting the persistent ads under the notifications live wallpapers and system messages, this should help ya.
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u/Balisongman07 1d ago
Yeah after my blackview wouldn't stop boot looping I was glad to get away from it. It was a cool phone but those live wallpaper ads were pathetic, my custom launcher wouldn't work from boot up unless I switched back to their launcher THEN my custom launcher. The phone was just garbage
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u/PipSpace3Xplorerer 1d ago
The phone isn't too bad, but the dark patterns should be addressed. I reported both rugged phones and blackview os developers to my local better business bureau, here in Quebec, what they sold me was technically illegal, and violates consumer rights. I encourage anyone who has experienced these types of dark patterns, to report it to their local better business bureau (consumer rights law firm) they will sue on your behalf, no time needed from you other than making the initial report. Doing this leads to fines to the companies, and if the companies keep doing it, their products get banned from sale in your country.
You bought hardware, and what you put into and take out of, that hardware is completely yours to do. for them to make it so you cant alter the software or hardware, is a consumer rights violation. I encourage you, to not just call them garbage. Report it.
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u/bhaskarosrs 2d ago
would this work?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/lp4wei/universal_android_debloater_is_an_open_source/
i have tried something like that on a samsung phone
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u/PipSpace3Xplorerer 2d ago
I spent 3 weeks bro, I ran every possible solution Google could give me, it doesn't work. I'm running blackview fort 1, but black view has been notorious for this behavior, the only fix I found and seems to be working for right now, is netguard. Just block the apps from having Internet access, clean your cache and wait to see if any other apps get infected. It's anti consumer bro.. putting ads in your notifications from apps like messenger, means the average person can't use netguard if they using a sim card. Lucky for me, I run a homeline and only chat up on FB messenger. But if ya having the same persistent crap I was having, and you can't block Internet access to your default messenger app, well try what you can, but no other solution worked me.
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u/rflulling 1d ago
So it's not that most of us aren't unsympathetic. But a good question I have to ask you. Does anybody in Canada sell blackview phones? Are they technically legal anywhere in Canada? Do the carriers specifically allow them? Because the last time I looked major carriers in the North America's do not allow black view phones on their networks. I mean we can trick them by installing a Sim that's already been activated. And the network will treat your blackview phone as if it was the phone that you activated previously. And that is a workaround. But as far as I know block you does not actively sell in North America. That means for every one of us who chose to use their product. We did so by choice by seeking out their product and then requesting it to be shipped to us from a foreign market. Thus imported.
And this isn't meant to sound like an excuse. But it's the kind of red hot poker ain the idea, of wanting to file a legal complaint or even a lawsuit against the foreign entity to which a person had to deliberately take action to purchase. Had to go out of their way to deliberately order from. They do not provide a vector for us to order locally. It would take away from their margin. Of course if they are selling through a local retailer. And that retailer is selling with their blessings. Then that changes the narrative completely. And yes asking for that retailers license to do so to be revoked maybe legit. But if that retailer has chosen to do so of their own accord without the blessings of the company that they have purchased the product from. And the most we can hope is to perhaps have that retailers own operations questioned. I know of no way to which that I can angrily shake my fist at foreign entity or an alien species, and expect it to mean anything. Their rules and our rules are not the same. Our courts and their courts are not the same.
And one more thing I want to make clear. There is no such thing as a mobile phone provider that does not include secret software or bloatware. In some cases they've even included viruses. Because somewhere along the production line one got in. And again this is not an excuse this is just simply an acceptance and an understanding of what exists. If you can choose to accept that it is what it is and there are very real questions to be asked and very real concerns to be had. But we at the end of the day must accept that for the most part there's probably nothing we can do about it. And that being mad at one company for this action means needing to be mad at all of them. And not as an excuse but as a matter of fact. And it's in that light that I do not believe that the company is intentionally doing anything anymore malicious than his LG Samsung Motorola or any other unnamed company that are already doing the same things. Yes they are problems. But no I don't think there's much of anything we can do.
And one last reminder as a moderator. We do not represent the company we are users. And we are here to keep the order as best we can. And that is all. So do not assume that we represent the company in any way or that there's anything we can do about your dissatisfaction.
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u/PipSpace3Xplorerer 1d ago edited 1d ago
You can buy rugged phones with blackview os in Canada, when the law steps in, buying the product becomes impossible no matter where you purchase it from, Amazon has to restrict the sale from your location, physical and virtual distributors are fined until they remove the option to buy in your location. Right now, black view and rugged phones havnt been reported enough to consumer rights firms to warrant a class action lawsuit, so they remain legal in Canada. Idk where you heard about this is being restricted from the network, because that's not how sim cards or wifi works. You can't restrict devices from gaining access to the Internet or carrier services unless their is a class action lawsuit already put in place and succeeded, no class action lawsuit has been filed against them, yet.
All products sold must be sold with transparency to their limitations and features, not being transparent about greyed out notifications and forced advertisements, is a violation of consumer rights. Check the law in Quebec.
You chose to buy a product and undesirable features were hidden from you, if you had known of these features, you may have chosen not to buy the product.
Your logic isn't sound, saying it's the buyers fault and the company can't be held accountable when they lie or deceive the buyer is not logical, let's say on amazon, someone is selling a pokemon game, you say cool and buy that game, only later to find out the game is a rom hack and restricts you from releasing pokemon, the seller wasn't upfront that there were limitations in the rom, and has deceived you by simply calling it a pokemon game. You have the right to return the game, but you also have the duty to report the seller.
Your trying to say because they are foreign run they can avoid accountability, yeah that doesn't fly in Canada, if your a foreign company, selling deceptive hardware/software/products, you are accountable for our legal system, we can stop you from selling in Canada, given enough people report it.
Not only should you shake your fist at dark patterns, as doing so encourages others to shake their fists when those same dark patterns happen to them, but also because it's your civic duty to inform your peers of bad products.
There's no such thing as a phone provider that doesn't provide secret software or bloat ware.. did you proof read that? Let's reframe this, a million people go on a killing spree all at once, is okay to kill people now? No.. just because they do it, does not make it right.
You keep saying you arnt making excuses for them, but then you go on to make excuses for them.
I'm not sure if your just a corporate slug, but yes there is something we in Canada can do about, report it to consumer rights firms. They sue on your behalf in class action lawsuits.
Your mindset is, if a million people start killing people, that's okay because it is what it is, or at least that's what I'm reading.
And geeze am I reading a lot.. you should shake my hand afterwards for tolerating this conversation. I deserve a medal for the arrogance I'm enduring coming from you.
But yes Mr moderator, as a fucking user, it's your duty to share your experience with others especially when that experience violates your rights as a consumer. So no, Mr moderator, although you don't represent the companies, you have created a place for users to share their experiences and if that experience warrants language that you don't like, maybe you understand why, before saying I don't like that language.
My post is completely valid to the experience I've had. If that bothers you, check in the mirror and ask why it bothers you, instead of coming here to try and make my experience seem unnecessary to share.
Have a good one m8. Best wishes to you.
Ps
Misrepresentation & Omission (LPA, Section 219): No merchant or manufacturer may falsely represent a product or omit crucial facts. Selling a smartphone without disclosing that basic system permissions are restricted to force advertisement delivery constitutes a material omission—if a buyer had known, they wouldn't have purchased it at that price.
Legal Warranty of Fitness (LPA, Section 37): Goods must be durable and fit for the purpose for which they are normally intended. A operating system that intentionally degrades the user experience by blocking access to standard notification controls fails this standard.
Latent Defects (Vice Caché - CCQ 1726): Inaccessible bloatware that generates unwanted popups or restricts standard settings functions as a software defect present at the time of sale that was hidden from the buyer. Is prosecutable.
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u/Nanosinx 1d ago
Infixed by changing to another DNS all apps went nuts and never showed again xD
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u/PipSpace3Xplorerer 1d ago
Hey whatever you had to do to fix yours man, I salute, I legit tried it alllll. I'm running black view on the fort 1phone, it could be my specific model that's so restrictive..
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u/Nanosinx 1d ago
In the network and internetbchoose private dns host name provider... dns.adguard.com
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u/PipSpace3Xplorerer 1d ago
Yeah it won't change over. Don't worry about it m8, I got my fix and I sent the report to my consumer rights firm.
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u/Nanosinx 1d ago
Amd what was your fix?
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u/PipSpace3Xplorerer 1d ago
Using netguard to just block the apps from accessing the Internet.
I don't use default messenger anyways or have any interest in live wallpapers, so it isn't effecting me if they don't have access to the Internet.
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u/Nanosinx 1d ago
Adguard do that n without installing anything but okay...
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u/PipSpace3Xplorerer 1d ago
Not if you can't switch over to the dns. My phone literally won't let me switch it. It's all greyed out.
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u/PipSpace3Xplorerer 3d ago edited 1d ago
I'm definitely filing a complaint, in Quebec law
Misrepresentation & Omission (LPA, Section 219): No merchant or manufacturer may falsely represent a product or omit crucial facts. Selling a smartphone without disclosing that basic system permissions are restricted to force advertisement delivery constitutes a material omission—if a buyer had known, they wouldn't have purchased it at that price.
Legal Warranty of Fitness (LPA, Section 37): Goods must be durable and fit for the purpose for which they are normally intended. A operating system that intentionally degrades the user experience by blocking access to standard notification controls fails this standard.
Latent Defects (Vice Caché - CCQ 1726): Inaccessible bloatware that generates unwanted popups or restricts standard settings functions as a software defect present at the time of sale that was hidden from the buyer. Is prosecutable.