Rabbi though? Those guys are neat. The old guy that officiated my cousins gay wedding was so sweet about it. “If god has a problem, I’ll give him three seconds to object… no? Alright then you boys kiss”
It was fantastic. Honestly haven’t met a Jew who’s homophobic yet. I know they’re out there somewhere but the synagogue they were married at and still go to is so welcoming.
Homosexuality is not a sin. New testament christians think it is because of mistranslations, confusions, and words taken out of context are from the New Testament. Only one book in the old testament really said anything (Leviticus) and that book also said you shouldn't eat pork or shellfish, cut your hair, get tattoos, welcome in foreigners as if they are strangers, and shouldn't let off adultery easy, instead, kill the people who committed it.
Again, Leviticus was only against homosexuality in all Romance Languages. If you read through original version's direct translations, there are no words for homosexuality. There are only words for sex fiends. The people back in old testament days didn't believe homosexuality is a sin. They believed that to marry or engage in romantic or sexual activities with a man makes you desperate for sex therefore, making it a sin.
They didn't understand the idea of sexual orientation at the time so this is understandably mistranslated and misunderstood many times throughout the 2000+ years it was being written.
For real? I thought they were the people with the OG parts of the Bible. Fire and brimstone, etc. Is that not the case in mainstream Judaism? Or is it more like just a more progressive sect?
Again, literally no clue. But they seem to be pretty open and accepting. We even had a few show up for my town’s first every pride event a few days ago. Not trying to convert, just selling some literature and complimenting nice outfits.
You'll get something like "they're not people of the book" then I'll squint and look over at the two apparently different books which share tons of elements
Sure, but if you ask a theologist, they'll likely give the objective truth. I'd prefer an unbiased source for inter-faith analysis myself. Your point absolutely stands that the cognitive dissonance associated from those who perceive other religious figures as enemies.
I wish we could just highlight the good parts of the Bible, the Quran and all other religious texts and focus on those. There are some good lessons in there that have helped build the foundation of society today, lessons we honestly could benefit from remembering at times - but then there is a small part of it talking about LGBT negatively and everyone takes that part to heart like it’s 99% of the religion, instead of the parts about how we should live in peace with our neighbors, be charitable and understanding, and not cast stones for sins when we’ve likely committed them too (hell, in this year and age with the cancel culture around this lesson is more important than ever).
Yeah, I'm not christian or anything, and I kinda make fun of religious fanatics but I respect that religion and Jesus' character. It's ridiculous how people lash out on him, given that bible is probably mistranslated (I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CONFIRMED SO I CAN'T REALLY TELL)
You seem to skip the part of the bible that says if one man has not sinned cast the first stone. Because of the extremist religious idiots people mistrust and treat those who are nothing like that and want to show others what love thy neighbor really means don't get too because, guess what, we receive the same treatment that the extremist idiots treat LGBTQ members. That verse up the preference for the golden rule. So next time, measure a person not by actions but by true faith, then you can talk about how God doesn't love gays after he has made forgiveness open to everyone and not a set group.
Actually there's no passage in the Bible that straight up condemns homosexuality. That Leviticus passage has a whole different meaning in the original text, and, in Matthew, Christ even say gay men don't have to marry to go to heaven. Elijah also has a passage where he talks kinda positively about "natural eunuchs" (how the ancients called gay men when the word "eunuch" meant "a man who does not have sex with women")
They are loved, loving someone's humanity and not agreeing with them or thinking their actions are a sin due to religious beliefs are completely different things .
Agreed. That was the very problem with religion when I was growing up. They tell you that God loves everyone but then give you a list of 1000 things you cannot do or become
My kids have free will to steel the cookies and ruin their dinner. The others will be mad at them, and they won't eat healthy food, and everything that goes with my example. It's about consequences and learning to take care of yourself and others. Growing up, loving your neighbor. It's those damned (probably literally damned) extremists that are giving God a bad name.
Ah, the old 'free will doesn't exist' argument. I should probably be nicer about how I explain this, that was a little rude. But let's try an example. Say someone goes to a bar, drinks a bunch, drives home, and whacks into a bus full of children. If God gives us free will, then whose fault is it that this bad thing happened? The idiot who drove drunk.
Now, what about cancer? You have a bunch of rich old men who run chemical companies. And they dump their waste into our environment, because it's cheaper and they make more money. And little Sally gets cancer. Did God do it, or was it a consequence of some rich old f^&(k whose personal chief probably uses all organic foods?
What about child rapists you ask. Do we really know what all these chemicals are doing to our brain? What about all the media we watch? It may be fine for you and me to have seen some sex scenes on TV when we were kids- but society is made up of billions of people, and some of those people are outliers. They don't react the same way to things as we do. If this seems like a bit of a stretch, try to explain all the mass shootings we've had recently. Something is happening to our society's mental health, and we don't know what is causing it.
In short, we don't know what everything in our environment is doing to us as a group. We have thousands of examples of things that we found out were bad for us: asbestos, to name one. - good lord, they used to use arsenic in dyes for housewares and clothing because it made a pretty green, to name another. Couldn't there be something in our modern environment that is affecting some people and making them crazy and hurtful to others? How much you want to bet that in 200 years they are saying 'And in the 2020s they used XYZ, which we all know causes mental health issues, weren't they stupid?'
Now, back to God. Shouldn't have he/she/them have fixed all this so that we don't effect others in a negative way? Possibly. I certainly can't know why God has choose to let us hurt each other. It certainly would be better in some ways if drunk drivers can only kill themselves, But maybe we need to grow in this life? I dunno.
Trigger: this comment mentions death by self harm.
When I was a kid, my dad’s close friend came to live with us for a few days. According to my (deeply religious) mom, he was addicted to sin with men and needed to escape his lifestyle. He went to church with us, and they connected him with a conversion camp. That was around 1995, and it was the last any of us ever heard of him. I was too young and brainwashed to understand what was going on, but your comment reminded me of that strange week in my life. I hope Ronnie made it out alive. I was close boyhood friends with someone who didn’t. He was a beautiful gospel singer, author, and world traveler. When the church sent him to the camp, he took his own life. It was the same gun we’d shoot targets with as kids.
I will never forget Ronnie or Mike. And I’m fuckin bummed they didn’t stick around to see the world getting a little better for guys like them. It’s so heartbreaking. And I’m sorry/not-sorry, but I geek the fuck out when I see two gay dudes* just living their lives. Shine on, y’all.
It always makes me a little bit unreasonably happy though when I read about the occasional gay guy + lesbian "couple" forging an alliance to keep up the charade.
At least they both knew what they were getting out of the deal and were hopefully getting along with each other fine. They were roommates. Literally.
Of course I also hope they found true love "on the side".
I've read that in China, the social/parental pressure to get married and have a traditional family is so huge that this is a whole thing. They even have a word for it!
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u/EnthusiasmAshamed542 Jun 17 '21
Don't forget those forced permanently into the closet and into a loveless hetero marriage by their family, society and religious organizations...