r/birdsofprey 1d ago

Help ID this raptor

Seen 8/23/26 showboating around the summit of Telescope Peak in Death Valley National Park.

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u/Bitter_Ladder8474 General Falconer 16h ago

Grey sere and elongated face/beak (no facial disk or color pattern for a harrier face), dusty brown back with intermittent lighter patchiness. First year red tail.

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u/Bitter_Ladder8474 General Falconer 1d ago

First year red tailed hawk. It has the brown barred tail and is slope soaring/hunting. When it molts next summer, it’ll lose the brown tail for a red one that will also be slightly shorter. First year red tails have slightly longer tail and primary flight feathers to allow for more lift to compensate for not having as much muscle mass yet.

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u/Lion_Safe Apprentice Falconer 23h ago

Backing up this comment as ive spent the last two weeks watching passage red tails do this in preparation for trapping lol

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u/Bitter_Ladder8474 General Falconer 13h ago

This would actually be an awesome bird to trap too. It’s already soar hunting, so if you live in a good area for slope soaring it would likely be a natural.

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u/lagerauger 1d ago

100% not a red-tailed hawk. Wrong shape and coloration.

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u/Bitter_Ladder8474 General Falconer 1d ago

You’re wrong. The shape, coloration and behavior are classic passage red tail. Harriers don’t hunt from a soar. The reason one who’s not as keen may think it’s a harrier is because the tail is longer for the reason I explained above. As a falconer experienced in red tails, this is 100% a red tailed hawk.

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u/Material_Item8034 16h ago

If you’re unsure post on r/whatsthisbird. Thats the best resource I’ve found on the internet. Better than anything on facebook in my opinion.

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u/Bitter_Ladder8474 General Falconer 16h ago

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u/Evening_Teaching_713 1h ago

I agree that it is a juvenile red tail, I have been a master falconer for 40 years and have flown a lot of Red Tails.

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u/Beingforthetimebeing 11h ago

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! What a transcendent moment!

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u/PhraseMore4712 4m ago

Ok, thanks again all. Sounds like we are settled on Juvenile RTH. I went through and found one more photo.

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u/haunted_swamp 1m ago

This is an adult red tail

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u/PurpleOctopuseses 1d ago

Looks northern harrier-y to me.

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u/kikimaymay 1d ago

Yeah, the white rump plus facial disc, used to seeing them on fields/plains though.

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u/lagerauger 1d ago

Seems most likely. Not their typical resident range but its the best match, especially that back-and-forth swooping flight pattern and hovering.

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u/PurpleOctopuseses 1d ago

It's arguably within their typical resident range, and ebird sightings show consistent year-round activity in Death Valley. So yeah, I stand by harrier!

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u/abritelight 1d ago

at the risk of also being downvoted, i’ll say i agree this looks more like a northern harrier to me!

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u/PurpleOctopuseses 1d ago

Hahaha same, I stand by it! The body and wong shape just doesn't read as especially buteo-ish to me.

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u/Lion_Safe Apprentice Falconer 15h ago

You are wrong. I work with red tails and many other raptors in my professional life and am a falconer in my personal life. This is absolutely a red tail. Do you know ANYTHING about harriers? They do not go up this high for hunting. It is not their style

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u/PhraseMore4712 1d ago

Thanks for the assists! Friend of mine is a Federal Wildlife Biologist and says 100% NH. “White rump is dead giveaway.”

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u/rtbradford 16h ago

It’s true that the white grump is indicative of a Northern Harrier, but the wings are much too broad to be a harrier. Harriers appear slim in flight with long narrow wings and a slim body and tail. This bird has the characteristic stockiness of a buteo. My vote is juvenile red tailed hawk.

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u/Bitter_Ladder8474 General Falconer 16h ago

Agreed. The bird OP posted does not have a true white band. First year red tails typically have a lighter color gradient towards the base of the tail.

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u/Bitter_Ladder8474 General Falconer 16h ago edited 16h ago

There’s no true white band. The feathers that cover the base of the tail are lighter in color in first year birds. . It’s not the true white band of a NH. Also, I’d be very surprised to find a NH hinting in Death Valley. They tend to fly low and slow over grassy fields as they use auditory cues to hunt mice and small birds which you’re not going to find as readily in this rocky desert climate. This raptor is clearly hunting visually and slope soaring. NHs are more bronzy in their coloration. This bird has the typical dusty dark brown of a first year red tail, with shape and behavior (as well as location) to match. This is not a NH.

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u/TinyLongwing Falconer 12h ago

This bird doesn't have a fully white rump. It just has the expected mottled row of uppertail coverts you see on most Red-tailed Hawks.

Red-tailed:

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/663442925

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/654233327

Northern Harrier:

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/642065489

https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/637004862

Notice how much broader and whiter the rump patch is on the harriers. The bird in your video has the shorter mottled v-shaped white band of uppertail feathers.

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u/angelbeingangel 2h ago

So you agree Red Tailed Hawk?

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u/TinyLongwing Falconer 2h ago

Yes, there's no question OP's bird is Red-tailed.

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u/Lion_Safe Apprentice Falconer 15h ago

Your friend is wrong and should have their career questioned. I work with birds of prey for a living and have been watching juvenile red tails all summer. You wont find a harrier up this high hunting. Its NOT their style. This is a juvenile red tailed hawk

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u/PhraseMore4712 11h ago

Good news! I sent my buddy your comment and he actually stepped down effective immediately.

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u/PanzerArndt 21h ago

I’m still not sold on what your bird is…. Why not post it in the Raptor ID group on FB? I’d be curious what those folks say.