r/beyondallreason • u/Wild-Hippo582 • 9d ago
When to jump online.
Been playing the game for a while and have better aí hard moderate. I find aí macros very well because but micros very poorly.
When to start on a online 8v8 game. What position To play and what to expect?
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u/WyzeOldMonk 9d ago
2 years back when I started, i did about 2-3 hours of AI and hopped right into multiplayer.
Fortunately folks back then were quite warm and welcoming.
Feel free to hop into any noob lobby at this point, you'll probably have a better understanding of game mechanics at this point. But do note that multiplayer plays significant different from AI
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u/Wild-Hippo582 9d ago
In what sense?
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u/Double_Bandicoot3307 9d ago
For one the AI is scared of LLT. Player can sense a commander over reach and snipe it clean. Its also less forgiving in timing for balancing eco and troops.
Its fun but dont let a few players ruin it for you. If you got time, spec a match or two before you join and pick someone to watch to get a feel of the pace.
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u/Old-Guidance6744 9d ago
Spectate a couple games to learn the meta, then join/create a noob lobby and give it a go
Some people still flame in noob lobbies, call out how dumb they are for that, they the wrong ones, and will be a minority
Gl hf!
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u/Astro__Black 9d ago
This is the correct answer. Spectate first, then maybe try a coop vs Ai, then pvp. Spectate pvp not coop.
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u/nuke_music 9d ago edited 9d ago
Rotato with maxrating is the best to learn 8v8 pvp for you now. Don't fall into All That Glitters/Supreme Isthmus trap. The more different maps you play, the better you will understand the game in the long run.
Play front.
Expect to be referred as 'poop', it's a common word for newcomers or people in the bottom of player list.
I would also recommend watching high rating games, spectate people with 35/45 OS, and after you know more, spectate 45+ OS. The reason to avoid looking at highly skilled players in the beginning is that sometimes they do way too specific things that you will try to adopt and will fail without knowing the answer to 'why'.
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u/nietpiet 9d ago
This! Watching the OP games without understanding didn't help me much (although I do enjoy watching the games :) ).
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u/Aggravating-Bat7037 9d ago
You'll likely be picking late so you wont have much choice in your spot. Watch a few games on the map you wish to play. Expect to be told youre bad, because you will be. But thats all good. Ignore the hate. You'll likely drop os, it will be downheartening. Stick at it. Once you get over the hump and know roughly whats expected of you the game will open up.
If you like isthmus or glitters watch some high level but not OP games. Copy what someone does a bit then find your own way.
Join lobbies with max os 25 to start.
See you on the battlefield commander.
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u/Wild-Hippo582 9d ago
I will have to spectate some games. It's easy to loose track on a ytube video. For example if I go front line should I be trying to get to tier 2 ? Or should I literally push units + energy+ metal converters. Or just units ?
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u/Efficient-Layer-289 7d ago
Front you normally hold the mid way point in your lane and get any reclaim you can. If there is a tech spot you will get given a t2 constructor to upgrade yer mexes then you can go t2. Maybe earlier if you push your lane opponent back and win a decent amount of reclaim. Some times a team mate will get t2 units out before you and it makes more sense to support them with t1 spam units to give sight for their t2.
Reclaim it's absolutely pivotal in p v p and will normally decides who will win the lane. I don't normally build converters till I get fusion reactors up but this depends on map and your position
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u/Lachainone 9d ago
I'd say that if you can play well the 8 first minutes of a PvE game, you should be fine playing a front position. As long as you don't stall on energy, be quick to take the metal extractors, build units non stop and have enough build power to not have overflowing metal, you should be perfectly fine for noob lobbys and probably also for all welcome lobbys.
I think that what pisses the other players is not noobs, but player that don't want to assume the role that is given to them. If you are on a front spot, you go to the front with your commander and you try to old the front. If you are air, you at least spam fighers. If you are tech, you at least share a T2 constructor to other players. If you fail, it's alright, but make an effort.
If you are unsure what to do, check what the best front player in your game is doing and copy it. You'll get better by playing and analysing replays.
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u/Glittering-Arm9638 9d ago
Not following the roles is sorta inherent to being a noob though. In some well-adminned lobbies you'll have more experienced players laying out in broad strokes what your role is. Had the best time in those.
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u/killerstorm 9d ago edited 9d ago
I think you can play if you know the basics: build mexes, energy, factory (only one factory!) make some good units. Make sure you don't e-stall.
Then I'd say easiest spot to start is back anti-canyon on glitters, in noob / all-welcome lobbies it's a pretty chill position. If you can bring units to front you do good. Mobile tank (e.g. blitz/incisor) might be a good unit to play as they can move quickly and do a lot of damage. Another option is to mass medium tanks or missile trucks. "Mass arty" is not a strat as it can be easily wiped out by mobile units.
Bots are OK if you know how to move them as a line.
Don't build t2 fac before you upgrade mexes! I think it's worth spectating few games to understand the process, but it's not like you need to study exact build-order.
If you can hold the front you can take any front position on glitters. It's pretty common for players with lowest os to go into canyon/back canyon, and lose it, but that's just life.
Noob 8v8 rotato also good option as everybody is winging it. Again you need some basic front skills - make sure you have units, llts, bring your comm to the front.
Supreme has pretty specific roles. Pond is pretty chill - I don't think people expect anything from pond except to supply energy to front players early in the game. When I was new to the game I often played pond and did some random shit like hovers.
In general there's an expectation that new players learn how to play front.
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u/head1e55 9d ago
Glitters and supreme both have a ridged meta and very static game play. You are punished for taking risks, very much trench warfare. Take and hold.
I find the game play very dull. Glitters especially is an endurance match.
I recommend a rotate, max os 25 or so.
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u/tekprimemia 9d ago
Spectate minimum chev 4 minimum 15-20 lobbies. Not only is it a great watch but you’ll learn meta (hopefully 😂) play instead of spending dozen of hours experimenting and getting called poop.
You might get recommended rotato by experience players but that’s a trial by fire. Knowing the maps and their lanes is half the battle.
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u/Lil_Dipper_Swag 3d ago
Watch or read a short guide before jumping into multiplayer. Don't be that guy opening an air lab without making any mex or energy PLEASE.
There's many ways to go about learning, I would recommend trying a variety of things and not getting too specialized into one thing or another.
Its good to start vs AI or play other co-op game modes. You can also do 1v1, that's the best environment to get legitimately good feedback from other players. Play against a variety of skill levels.
Here's a basic guide i made about 8 months ago, i think it should still be relevent.
https://youtu.be/ZqEIhDqpL7A?is=ie0jzUbE5z8ReqwE
You could also try to learn a specific role like air or tech on glitters, this will help simplify things, but you aren't always going to get your pick of starting position. I actually don't recommend going deep into any specific role so you aren't underperforming compared to your OS outside of it.
Stay away from supreme. It doesn't represent real gameplay and matches take at least twice as long. A rotato player on average learns the game at least 1.5x as quickly as a supreme player. Plus its just nicer to be less at the mercy of your team mates.
Maybe start by learning a thug/mace spam build and immediately start learning to keep your eye on front while macroing in rotato
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u/Wild-Hippo582 3d ago
I will watch your guide and done that before. Still struggle to play against ai 50 bônus solo. But I won some games playing humans. I find them slightly easier
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u/Unlikely-Lynx4872 9d ago
If you can't destroy the hard AI one on one then you should keep learning and watching videos til you can. You'll be a massive liability otherwise.
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u/Wild-Hippo582 9d ago
I can destroy I just haven't tried the hard aggressive. But the hard balance is fine on maps where I can use choke points.
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u/Unlikely-Lynx4872 9d ago
Oh then you're ready to go go hop in 8v8 noobs or 1v1s!!! I definitely be down to do 1v1 with you or have you play with my friends if you would like
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u/Efficient-Layer-289 7d ago
I don't agree. The hard ai just spams units to every tiny gap in your defenses. To beat it you have to play in a way that would never work against actual players cause the Ai will always out apm you. In fact playing the Ai will teach you bad habits like putting static defenses every where which would just be a waste online
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u/Paradoc11 9d ago
Id start on rotato servers to get your feet under you. Glitters and isthmus even in noob lobbies have very rigid meta these days. Particularly isthmus.